Official thread: ‘Get Britain Working’ White Paper released Tuesday 26th November
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Just read on benefitsandwork.co.uk that we won't hear a verdict on the DWP and Ellen Clifford court case until the new year.
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Chiarieds, that's it exactly.
I lost my job during the last government 'push to get disabled into work' under Cameron and I feel like the same is likely again this time because I work for local government and they're already talking about cuts. The fact that disabled people disproportionately work in local government or public sector because accessibility is better understood seems to have been overlooked.The lack of understanding in government even about what benefit does what is also staggering. The fact some of the media are talking about PIP then describing ESA shows a complete lack of research going into any of these reports as well.
Kaliwax, please take care of yourself. The people commenting online are doing so out of spite - not knowledge. Unfortunately some people glean enjoyment from hurting others. Those people are the pitiful ones, though. You are a warrior, stay strong.
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@worried33 - I think there's credibility in the figures provided by the Office for National Statistics. The fact that more disabled people work rather than not 'should' counter the unfortunate negative narrative that the media is displaying.
As mentioned by both @Amaya_Ringo & @MW123 both of whom work, highlighting this 'should' perhaps in part negate the media's skewed response, whilst understanding that some people simply cannot work & should continue to have the utmost support.
Amaya also highlights that for some disabled people in work there's no job security, which surely also needs to be addressed?
I hope Scope take some of this onboard & we can all continue to be on the same page. I just wish people could avoid social media & it's too harmful narrative. Every disabled person matters; everyone here matters, whether able to work or not.
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Thanks,
One of the barriers people seem to see this isn't just for disabled people, but in general is buses. Arriva down my way are cutting everything from next year, my last bus is 5pm, compared to 4 years ago where we had 4 buses an hour each way. a sunday service and an evening service. People will struggle to get to work with a service like that
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First bus is the same,
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I have seen one figure from the ONS, one that predicts only a tiny fraction of those planning to be moved to LCW will find work.
The page I am on, I am all for legitimate support schemes to help people back to work, I think there is sick and disabled people who want to work (I am one of them), but I think there is also way too many assumptions that get made about what people are capable of doing, and I am firmly against moving people to LCW just on a bet it will work out for them. I am firmly against mandated activity, firmly against sanctions, and firmly against removing financial support, The DWP should be capable of providing voluntarily support to people in LCWRA, they shoudnt need to use a threat regime to provide support or need to remove financial support to provide back to work support either.
The difference between me and Kendall, is Kendall thinks its a mission to get people working, that is the end goal, I dont have this obsession the whole country should be working, for me its providing the safety net for those that need it, working on giving them treatment, a diagnosis, a support circle, whilst carefully helping those who want to attempt to get back into work, making sure they not penalised for doing so either (current regime will penalise it). The DWP can do so much more than just give out financial support.
The assessment process also has very little to do with this other that it can penalise attempts to go back into work, the DWP dont need a new process to provide support to people. They need a new process to save 3 billion a year, and push people into LCW or FFW. If they were serious about genuinely helping people, there would be no talk of assessment changes.I go on statements from ministers, and parliament not the news media speculation.
Going back to scope.
I would like to see them publish minutes or a summary of any dialogue from the DWP.
Surveys of scope members about their interactions with the DWP, so they understand what sick and disabled people are experiencing and need from the DWP,
Encourage the DWP (ideally the ministers, but someone who has influence on policy within DWP would be ok also) to speak to claimants directly for their feedback, on an individual level not consultations with fixed questions.
Ask the ministers to setup an independent regulator for the DWP so something is keeping them in check.1 -
This is from benefits and work, about Pip, dwp complete disarray
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Then they REALLY need to pause this migration before it becomes a major problem all round.
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Kaliwax, you really don't want to get me started complaining about buses! LOL :) We had a great bus years ago but for political reasons it was taken off our neighbourhood and rooted into one more sympathetic to our council at the time. Since then we've had so much trouble with buses. Our current service is running so infrequently that there is one bus I can get to work, and generally am reliant on the last bus to get back. There's one bus all morning for people with passes to get to the local market town.
When I was in London studying, I had transport and freedom for the first time since I was teenager. But here I have none of that. I am not comfortable in taxis so I basically have a curfew. And since I have to get the last bus home, I can't do anything on work days either. My navigation is too poor, especially in the dark, for me to be able to vary my means of transport much.
And I have lost so many better job opportunities because I have no transport. This seems to be an area the government white paper isn't even touching on. How do we disabled, non-driving folk get to our places of work? I already have to leave over an hour earlier than I should have to because there is no bus in that direction for 2 and a half hours after mine.
And this last couple of weeks alone I've waited over an hour in cumulative minutes for it when it's been late.1 -
Mine the same where I live , that's what I voted our usless uncaring MP for as he was going to sort the buses out. He hasn't. Made out he was for the people ,he's not.
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Someone said the reason for cancelling local elections as in couple of years mayor's will run areas ? Does that make sense
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They are panicking because they now reform will do good in local elections and take their seats.
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I think a lot of labour supporters could move to the Lib Dems, Lib Dems are further to the left than Labour are nowadays
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I agree but starner not having a local elections he's cancelled them !!!
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Pls Lord halt the migration
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I think email kendell maybe tell her our fears, the dwp backlog. Timms is usless
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I'm more worried about the far right getting in 5 years time. I think the far right, will get rid of any welfare all together
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They say that they want to do that, i don't think they'll be able to legally get away with it. If someone is in between jobs, they need money to heat their homes, buy food to eat and pay bills. To get rid of welfare was cause devastating destitution.
if there is a policy that is controversial, who is there to reign the government in,if they get too big for their boots?
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