WCA consultation ruled unlawful - White paper, part 2

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  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 67 Empowering

    The MP's just shuffle around a bit in a room full of filling cabinets. J/K

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,889 Championing

    Well best stay in cabinets under lock and key then

  • noman
    noman Online Community Member Posts: 1,763 Trailblazing

    Yahoo 😂

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 663 Pioneering

    Would it apply to PIP renewal or new applications

  • Kimmy87
    Kimmy87 Online Community Member Posts: 3,761 Championing
    edited January 19

    Labour have committed only to the cost savings (from across all of welfare not just disability benefits) inherited from the previous Government.

    They have yet to release any details of how they themselves would like to make those savings.

    Better to wait for the official news, rather than believing mish mash, ill informed click bait articles probably written by AI but a named journalist takes credit for them.

  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,283 Championing
    edited January 19

    Nothings changing for a long time.

    Ignore everything you read until they announce the consultation, then if you can respond to it.

    things are changing now and the walls are closing in on the government starting with this case, any changes won't come into affect for a long time, there's many stages even getting from stage one to two) consultation to white paper alone will take at least 4 Months (from spring)

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 663 Pioneering

    See the daily mail taking another swipe at disability benefits again apparently peers in the house of Lords have said about it . Damn cheek, they get £350 a day, many are asleep in there. Tony Blair sticking his oar in again about it.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 1,650 Empowering

    @Andi66 Here's a quote from today's "Guardian". To me, it suggests that the Lords believes there is a need for change but that any changes are not initiated for the sole purpose of saving money:

    "Labour must carry out a root-and-branch overhaul of the UK’s incapacity benefits system if it is to rein in rising heath-related welfare spending, an influential cross-party Westminster committee has warned.

    The House of Lords economic affairs committee – whose members include two former Treasury permanent secretaries and a former chancellor – said major reform was needed to address the rising social and fiscal costs of disability benefits.

    The chair of the committee, the Tory peer George Bridges, told the Guardian the government must “step back and hold a fundamental review of the benefits system” that went beyond simply looking for “so-called savings”.

    The committee’s remarks came amid rising concern among disability campaigners and Labour backbenchers over the chancellor’s insistence on sticking to inherited Tory plans to cut £3bn from incapacity benefits by 2028."

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,889 Championing

    What does this mean pla head all over place

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,889 Championing

    This has depressed me so much from high to low months of this is unbearable

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,889 Championing

    Also taking substanial risk away for MH only using execptional circumstances

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 663 Pioneering

    Surely savings can be found elsewhere. Like the NHS charge overseas people to use it. Like they do in other countries, they come in use it and fly out again. Get the money back from the waste ppe that was spent in the covid years from unscrupulous firms. Cut heating for mps out of tax payers money. Using tax payers money for their perks, they earn enough etc

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 1,650 Empowering
  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,283 Championing

    Keep on track, you've come so far, don't search out, obsess over or panic about the media.

    This government is very weak despite it's majority, they're being gunned for in all directions, the latest polls show everyone is sick of them.

    starmers recent vile comment about having the balls to attack the welfare system didn't get the support he expected social media responses tore him to shreds.

    laws, procedures and advocates will pressure the government where needed, AND I'm sure Ellen Clifford or someone else will have them back in court if they discriminate further.

    The courts are now on to this mob.

    keep going lovey 💜💛

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,889 Championing

    Thankyou always so supportive means alot

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 116 Empowering

    I won't start a new thread but a Lords committee have called for reforms, these are recommendations NOT set in stone reforms.

    The cross-party House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee (EAC) has today called for the government to “accelerate its plans to reform health-related benefits”, warning that the country now spends more on incapacity and disability benefits than on defence  

    • A reform of the fit note system
    • Individuals who are signed off work for more than a month should undergo additional or ongoing assessments
    • Work Capability Assessment (WCA) is not rigorous enough and susceptible to error. The assessment should be face-to-face and seek to establish what work an individual can do rather than looking to corroborate what they cannot do.
    • If people return to work, they should not be at risk of immediately losing benefits; or, if the job proves unsuitable, they should not be immediately faced with having to reapply for these benefits.
    • Just as unemployed people have a work coach, so should those on incapacity benefit for the first two years of their period on benefits.
  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 1,650 Empowering

    None of this takes into account severe conditions that are chronic / progressive. At one time, people on DLA were protected from reassessment, I think, but all that changed with the move to ESA and PIP. T

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 116 Empowering
    edited January 20

    Remember these are recommendations, not set in stone plans.

    Bare in mind though this "engagement" aspect has been mentioned by Alan Milburn.

    Quite frankly I'm sick of this nonsense that everyone puts it on for the bennies, I have to take a breather just to not go on a rant. So more is spent on disability/incapacity benefits than defense spending….is that OUR fault? No it isn't, who was in government from 2010 to 2024? They had plenty of time to reform the welfare system.

    I read the financial times article about this and people were salivating at this, yet I bet you that they're the ones who cry and whine about losing their Winter Fuel Allowance.

    Yes reform needs to happen but it needs to be in a way that benefits the disabled, not slash and cut and MSM constant hit pieces.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 1,650 Empowering

    I just can't stand all this. I've been physically disabled since childhood and am waiting for an ASD assessment. They're killing me.