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  • Vogue
    Vogue Online Community Member Posts: 39 Connected

    Thats what I said pip no means tested but I've been hearing rumour they want to to means test it 😡

  • tomwalker
    tomwalker Online Community Member Posts: 47 Contributor

    Oh they just want to cut the bill and have decided that disabled on PIP are fraudsters or shirkers and should work...they are totally focussed becuase it would solve the fact they cant create jobs by msking it the fault of disanled...its tragic

  • Jane315STARX
    Jane315STARX Online Community Member Posts: 469 Empowering

    I don't think they will cut or stop pip.I think they are changing the descriptors making it EVEN harder to qualify in the first place.Those who are not already on pip who have been rejected like myself although who are long term sick and disabled will be 'urged' to 'volunteer' to work.Work coaches via the U.c system and local authorities will 'Support' disabled people by engaging regularly and 'listening' to their views and voices and making sure they are heard and valued.I think those who have mental health problems who have not engaged with a support worker will be assigned one and talking therapy for an alloted time with the end remit being a work placement.( just my thoughts)

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 1,407 Empowering

    The means-test could remove PIP from many working people and actually prevent them from working. It would begger me because I live off PIP, CB-ESA, and my savings.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 1,407 Empowering

    @Kimmy87 I inclined to think they're out of their depth and don't have a clue how to proceed especially with PIP.

    There's no mention of changes to DLA for children or AA for OAPs and those costs have risen too. It is senseless for a 16 year old to come off DLA and not to receive adequate PIP. It could determine whether or not a young claimant can work. Older claimants might choose to drop their claim and apply for AA.

    I often think of the most disabled people I've known. Nothing could reduce their financial needs or get them into work.

  • Holly_Scope
    Holly_Scope Posts: 721 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    Thanks for sharing this @Jane315STARX. I'm going to try and find it on catch up after I finish work. 🙂

  • Ironside1990
    Ironside1990 Online Community Member Posts: 232 Empowering

    Just seen a clip on Youtube. Sam Renke made some good points. The government and the DWP want more disabled people in work, but they need to invest in infrastructure to make work accessible for disabled people.

    plus, PIP helps disabled people who are in work, actually get to work.

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 19 Contributor

    Vogue would you be able to provide the source from the government saying PIP may be means tested or is this speculation? I would like make a reference to it when writing to my MP. Many thanks.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,115 Championing

    What did they say i seen part of checking accounts can take phone laptops search your house if suspected fraud now we know dwp dont play fair how many innocent people get caught in this has this passed been in bed 3 days feel for dogs i cant move and also having pets dwp say you can work god pls give us a break its unbearable they have broke me

  • Vogue
    Vogue Online Community Member Posts: 39 Connected

    It's a rumour I heard so there's no solid proof as yet I'm hoping it is a speculation 🤞

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 19 Contributor

    So basically it's an opinion not an actual fact at the moment?

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 22 Listener

    Just listened to that GMB clip .... All I keep hearing about these bank checks are " we will work with banks to make sure claimants meet the eligibility criteria for receiving Thier benefits" what does that even mean , it gives them a pretty wide scope to check anything they want really 🤷

  • tomwalker
    tomwalker Online Community Member Posts: 47 Contributor

    They have declared they will make 3 billion savings regardless...so they'll have to change who gets it..everything else is hot air…the vast majority of new claimants are mental health..so they'll disallow that and other descriptors by removing them and put the onus on the claimant.. who may be very ill I deed...they'll offer no or little support becuase it costs and claim they checked with dusabled peoples needs

  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 861 Pioneering

    My opinion, and its only an opinion, if the DWP want to get disabled people back into work, then who will pay for the adaptions to allow this to happen?

    The way forward as far as the government is concerned is to get people to "volunteer" there hours or skills at no cost to them….. Sounds harsh? But how many people around the country are caring for loved ones or children unpaid? and untrained? Assessments are completed by assessment companies because they are not medical assessments, so how can your opinion of what you think an outcome of a spacific disablement can be if you have no medical background?

    Just a thought……

    And I also saw the news this morning, found it quite interesting as to where these jobs are going to come from. Also for people in my neck of the woods (Cardiff) Sir Dr. Frank Atherton Health Minister (I think that was his title) is stepping down. Are we getting close again……

  • Jane315STARX
    Jane315STARX Online Community Member Posts: 469 Empowering

    I saw Andy Haldane (Economist) being interviewed for Sky yesterday and although he didn't touch on this particular subject.Alot of what he was saying did make a lot of sense.Taking myself as an example,I am not a healthy fit disabled person.He said that businesses would be looking to employ healthy people ( which obviously makes sense).By the government trying to steer people who are too ill or perhaps maybe like myself too unhealthy too work is not the greatest idea.I know we haven't as yet even seen the proposals yet and are anticipating alot of what is to be in the format.But we all know the likely hood of some changes because of the situation we are in.