The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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In part of the green paper:
In addition to entrenching early intervention, our ambition is also a system that keeps in touch with everyone on the health element of UC, so no-one is left out or abandoned. In return, people will be expected, as a minimum, to participate in periodic conversations about work and support (with exceptions where this would not be appropriate).
So basically unless they class you as severely disabled and therefore never going to be able to work, then yes it looks like they will expect more from us, but we don't know exactly what that will be at this stage.
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I'm giving up, I'm still not getting my question answered. It seems like nearly everyone is getting LCWRA as no one seems to know or want to know about the ESA support group changes. I'm too tired
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Very true, I was just on ESA for years because I thought I wasn't allowed PIP as well until a health professional told me to claim in about 2023. I've noticed even liberal media is terrible at reporting the truth about PIP claims, and especially how much goes unclaimed.
I saved the govt a ton of money being my mum's free live-in carer instead of getting her carers when her dementia got bad as again it didn't occur to me to apply to get carers for her. It made my own health a lot worse.
I enourage everyone who just has UC/ESA to apply for PIP. There's a youtuber Charlie Anderson who walks you through the process of what to say, and how to say it to get your points and she's good.
Flood the system!
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hi @worried33
Can you explain what you mean exactly in regards to removing someone from LCWRA if they already get PIP daily? Thanks0 -
I've been reading all the comments about existing WCA/LRWCA/PIP claims but what of those who have just started on the gathering of 3 months worth of Fit Notes in order to get a WCA? I only presented first Fit Note on 18th Feb 2025. Are new claims going to be penalised before we even get our first wca assesment?
I have many long-term and new conditions even though I have worked and volunteered until more recently . I have worked most of my life but now unemployed and on basic stand alone universal credit and only recently started down the process of the WCA journey . I'm nearly 64 and can't even retire for another 3 years. Will I be penalised because I am only just starting this sickness/disability process and will be considered a new claim even though I am a Job Seeker already on Universal Credit.
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it’s this this called severely disabled again. Is it based on condition or how it affects us ?
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So it’s all back to the dreaded 4 points 😩😀
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hi from what I have read of the green paper I understand that those on new style esa contribution based now will still get there payments it’s only those new claimants will be affected
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I'm not sure. I guess the DWP will decide based on the evidence you give them if they think you'll never be able to work again. Then you'll get an additional premium on top of the health element and you'll never have to worry about another assessment ever again.
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Thank you...my brain won't function. I read it that way, I've been asking all night for clarification
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I have a Drs letter stating my prognosis isn’t good . Yet they always give me a hard time . I’m not sure if it’s my conditions or just bad luck . But I’m feeling more positive for now though I’m not sure I should be .
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Yes...from what I've read this seems to be true.
Hope this helps sunshine. Xx
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Remember to respond to the green paper at the bottom when your ready to do so . Especially in regards to the 4 point rule 🥺
It's currently being discussed on lbc
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Or when they delicately kick people off the support group to kick them off the benefit full stop hence why she wants reassessment pushed to get people off this soon to be legacy payment. So any savings and worked your life your screwed to use them until you go to the threshold of UC. Pay into system all your life screwed over for having money but are disabled. Sickening.
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But what we do know is that this will be a waste of time, money and manpower.
But hey, as long as they are badgering vulnerable and sick people about work they can not do …then that's how it will be .
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Hope you manage to stay somewhat calm....
We Just all need to stick together. I can't stress that enough.
Hope everyone manages to get a little sleep tonight at least.
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yes it’s funny as soon as she mentioned recording I thought yep you know they’re crocked . I’m sure that 4? Points will be challenged though and basically having no sickness benefit. Some illnesses mean you can work but can’t get pip . There must be an equivalent. I’m sure Ellen Clifford or someone is looking into .
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I find it funny that they didn't want people to face multiple assessments for different benefits, so they want to combine it all into one assessment for PIP and UC.
But then they mention if you're on the health element they will expect you to participate in "periodic conversations about work and support" which to me sounds a lot like an assessment, and they'll probably be more regular than the previous assessments.
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yes flood the system with PIP claims don't see it as stressful see it as a protest !!
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