The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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You are right Sharon. We are being punished for having disabilities.
I'm so disappointed in many of the disabled charities, I expected uproar today....but .....hardly any real pushback at all.
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Give them time, the green paper only came out yesterday. I know scope have said they are reviewing it and will update in due course.
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They can say that. It doesn't change reality. They could say the sky was red, doesn't change the facts.
Fact is this has to go through a legal process, we need to pressure back benchers and our MPs not to agree to the bill - tell them they will loose our vote. They might not care now. In four years they will. They can't turbo charge the process. They can and will threaten MPs to comply and give bad faith 'consultations' with the public. They can demand savings of £6 million for defense, the blunt truth is even if they scrapped PIP, UC and ESA it probably would give them that £6 million because every other sector would suffer fallout. Just because they say things are non negtioable doesn't mean they get it. A green paper is nothing more than a govt wish list.
The tories tried this, my God did they try, and the courts rejected it, and there plans were scrapped. George Osbourne didn't attempt it even during austerity because he knew it'd get thrown out.
We make this bill take forever, we take it to the courts, we scream about it, there are a lot of gen public who don't like it either. They have friends/family who are sick/disabled. 1 in 2 people will now get cancer or dementia. This isn't a random hypothertic maybe-what if scenario. Mental health is at crisis point for a lot of people due to cost of living crisis.
They will not forget this govt scrapped the winter fuel, kept the two child cap, slashed international aid (making us all less safe)…the list is endless. Passing this bill won't be quick no matter what they want. MPs know they will be jobless and no MP (saving the v wealthy and psychos) wnats to be yelled at every day because someone's terminally ill family member lost PIP, or that a carer lost their job because the person who was on PIP couldn't afford them, a lot of companies that have a disabled customer base will be put severely at risk (think of mobility scooters, meals on wheels, home aids/adaptations, employers will loose disabled employees, the NHS will be absolutely flooded when people can't afford their carers any more, social care will be floaded, housing will be floaded. The money disabled people spend to make their lives a bit easier or even necesities will disappear and shrink the ecomony. This isn't just few sick/disabled people that they can write off and ignore because they don't 'contribute' - this will rebound in ways they have not considered into all sectors.
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Might be a daft question but should I apply for PIP right now? I'm on LCWRA only and with the online benefits calculator looks like I'd qualify for PIP. I never went for it because I was scared they'd turn me down and then take my LCWRA off me. Now I don't know if it would be worth doing before any changes and if it would help me later on if I'd already managed to get it now. Or is there just no point. I'm scared to even try.
Or I'll just leave it and see what happens in the future :(
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i was ok yesterday as i had a four point scorer for the daily living part in pip, so thought i was ok, earlier today i found a new descriptor thing and where i scored 4 i will only score 2, so it looks like i will be losing the daily living bit of my pip. I got ongoing enhanced in both in 2020, so not due for a reassessment until 2030, so what will happen?
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Where's the new descriptor? I'm sorry to hear that, that's awful
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There's no harm in applying. If you do get turned down like the majority of us are, you can do a mandatory reconsideration and if that fails then tribunal. They like to reject everyone first and most people get their awards from tribunal. Some of us get them from the Mandatory reconsideration like me but the success rate of that is much lower than the tribunal
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Deputies? Who are you refering to?
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I might give it a go, but I'm just worried it will end up worse for me sooner than it would otherwise if I try.
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you will need to scroll down to the second wales online, which starts of am i going to lose my pip payment
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@neil12345 on your award letter it should tell you how long your award is for mate.
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I've just filled in my response to the Green Paper. I found it very therapeutic filling it in. I didn't hold back.😤
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thank you for the link
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It won't make things worse for you. The pip changes have to go through parliament and that won't be a quick process.
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What is perverse is that Starmer's mother had an incapacitating disease, Still's disease to my knowledge. You would think such an experience will make you more sympathetic or empathetic towards disabled people. A part of me isn't surprised at Starmer, he's a cold, callous and calculated Man, I've seen invertebrates with more spine than him.
My mother said if a Labour, a Tory or a Reform candidate knocks on this door she will give them a piece of her mind. Sometimes things need to be said.
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They could start anytime now. They will assess people who likely to have a change of award first.
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Is it a sticky plaster though. I would probably get a series of 2 points on a 2 year award. Then lose it on review. The last time I applied I had been out of a psychiatric unit less than a year. I was really mentally poorly. I got zero points and did not have the strength to fight it. I think though I do have energy to fight it now. Out of anger as well!
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I was under scored in my pip assessment never getting more than 2 in some categories but still got enhanced. My award ends in November 2027; it’s guaranteed that my review will happen in November 2026 or later just as the new proposals are said to be introduced. I don’t know what to do should I ask for mandatory reconsideration if no activity gets 4.
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It was more that I've always had bad thoughts of it triggering a reassessment for LCWRA and then deciding to take everything away even though if anything I've worsened since I was given LCWRA. Might just be heavy anxiety over it all that's making me paranoid
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