Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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But until then? If you have to be on PIP daily living to get LCWRA, will this mean those who haven't been transferred from DLA yet will not be eligible?
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gamer1Online Community Member Posts: 52 EmpoweringMarch 30edited March 30Labour are a 75% working class cabinet and they are going to vote in the worst reform in HISTORY for the poorest in society and disabled people. They should be embarrassed with themselves.Not the worst. The most damaging welfare reform took place nearly ten years ago following a sleight of hand within 2012 reforms. Universal Credit was introduced in 2013, paused then rolled out because it was too late to turn back.
The 2012 and 2015/16 Acts need to be revisited in order to stem those changes because they matter more than ever now !!!
Neil Couling retires tomorrow and I've no idea who will replace him. I've posted a question about this and nobody seems to know or be concerned. I am very concerned because he has created a monster and now he's sodding off.
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I dare say that I and many here are interested in what will happen during their lifetime, and not in 100 or more years. I have not noticed a single welfare state on this planet. Although I have visited many countries. Compared to other government expenditures, spending on the disabled is a mere dust. Only the greed of the ruling classes prevents them from spending money on the disabled and pensioners.
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If I am not mistaken, pensions and disability payments to military personnel are included in other budget items and have nothing to do with the issue being discussed here.
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I note that many people with visual impairments and physical problems cannot use smartphones.
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Would be a dream such uncertain times labour are cruel
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I don't understand says pip going ahead November 2026 but hasn't gone through white paper ?
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I'm confused it hasn't gone to white paper and still going through
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I don't think they will go through . The proposals haven't been assessed .
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I really don't think the proposals will go through, it is bad for the economy , even people on benefits pay tax vat and contribute towards the economy .
They are talking about making half of the country destitute , it will make the already UK recession a depression .
We should be speaking positive because if you look at the proposals they just cannot work.
How many households could adapt and survive having £1000 a month taken from their benefit or wage?
Who will rehouse these people when they get evicted for none payment of rent /mortgage ?
Where are these jobs coming from when disabled people have no chance of getting taken on by an employee , why would they want disabled people on their workforce who will want time off for sick days , hospital and doctors appointments ?
It's not going to work , its a dream labour have and in the past similar proposals were rejected .
Please speak positive , lift your vibration , they hate it .
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I think this is the most unpopular piece of legislation for decades and will be fought tooth and nail .Also all the Labour MP's voting will know if they vote in favour of this , it will be the end of their career .
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labour mps could end up voting in favour of some of these proposals and later the tribunal quite likely could judge them unlawful.
And 4 years later, labour will be out of power. People don’t forget.
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The government WANT the cuts going through for PIP in November 2026 but it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to happen.
This Green Paper at the moment is a consultation document with proposals to change the law on PIP and other cuts. As the situation stands, they want to quickly force other Labour MP's, under the three line whip, as it's called to approve these proposals to have it become a White Paper before the end of the current parliamentary session at the end of July.
There is a consultation period until the end of June, which, as you know, we can join in with, including here on Scope.
The MP's will then vote in July. As you are no doubt aware, they will probably be greatly swayed by the fact that they will be penalized by the removal of the whip if they don't toe the party line which means that even if they are against the cuts, the thought of being disciplined will more than likely, force their hand in voting the governments proposals through.
The good thing for us is that the government are trying to rush this through, to the white paper stage, in July without all the consultation they need. They are required to wait for the Office of Budget Responsibility, the OBR to give their own impact assessment, which won't be ready until October. Labour are ignoring this which means that their MP's won't have all the information required to vote on the proposals.
Don't panic though. This will actually work in our favour as Disability Activists /Groups will then be able to act after the White Paper, if it goes through in July, which is very likely.
To explain this properly, I will have to go back to the end of last year when activist Ellen Clifford, through the group Disabled People Against Cuts (I'm a member) won a high court case, having the previous government's disability green paper proposals declared unlawful. That was for a number of things particularly one, they had greatly overexaggerated the number of disabled people who could go back to work.
When the OBR, once they had done their impact assessment discovered that it would only be 3% of us, who would get jobs the Tories claims were completely discredited, so much so that it was one of the major reasons why their proposals were declared unlawful.
This government, as you can see are making mistakes, like the Tories. Being so keen to get this through without the OBR consultation then leaves them open to challenges from such as the DPAC in the high court. As you can see they ruined the chances of the last government with welfare cuts!
I was reading a post on here yesterday about under what circumstances will the high courts take action to stop the government from passing a law like this and to cut a long story short, Labour are breaking every single ones of those rules, believe it or not! These cuts weren't even in their mandate!
I'm sorry this has been so long but it is to show just how much they are leaving themselves completely open to challenge, which the DPAC are already preparing for.
This could also mean similar actions being bought by disability rights groups over such things as whether people such as ourselves who have already lost so much money and live on such a low income can, by law be forced into a strong possibility of destitution and homelessness through absolutely no fault of our own, to whether the fact that we have protected characteristics under equality law allows the government to make such devastating cuts to our income.
I not only wanted to explain how the system works but how, despite the horror and despair we all feel, there is actually very much more hope than you'd think. 👌🤗
I hope that has enlightened you about the situation. It's so complicated, I know! Do ask me to explain anything you don't understand, I find all this information takes a lot of getting into myself. It's even more difficult when you're not well too, isn't it. 🙄
I hope some others may read this post and feel better for doing so too. It just proves that in the most terrible situations there is always hope. 😀
Strange too, how vicious, vindictive people like the right wing section of this government will always try to cheat to try to get what they want through, tripping themselves up in the process because they are so arrogant and entitled, they think that they cannot possibly fail.
Especially as the Tories failed before them and their Green Paper was declared unlawful!! You could make it up could you!🤦
Please don't think that these laws are inevitable will you, there is everything to play for. Because they are the government it DOES NOT make them untouchable or infallible. 😊
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This today on Beeb. These reforms are dead in the water, DWP do not have the staff to implement Kendall’s work coaching. Interesting that they are also complaining that too much’Monitoring’is going on eg. Checking bank accounts, sanctioning etc. Current staff need freed up from excessive monitoring if they are going to get folk back to work. Nothing adds up, they’re reducing support just when we’re being told that perfect’Individual’ tailored support is readily available? It’s all a lot of hokum… falling apart before it begins.
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OOh Bless you thankyou so much evil not the word I think the welfare system is a Thropy many goverments want to win thankyou for explaining xx
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This is awesome news. The DWP is such a god awful institution, it's no wonder they cant recruit work coaches. Plus like most jobs, the pay is too low to justify it. Even if the Tories force these reforms through, they're doomed to fail.
It's almost as if not trusting benefit claimants to be honest about their situation (and not giving a **** if they're doing benefit fraud so long as they aren't hurting anyone else) creates more problems than it solves. It's neoliberalism, capitalism and eugenics doing what they do best.
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