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These benefits were going whichever government was in power. Most of what people are sharing and publishing on here are click bait. They're just not going to tell anyone what's going on until the day. So just sharing things like above is just bringing more worry to people.
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Does anyone know what happened in the meeting Liz Kendall had the other day with mp's behind closed doors? I can't find any news about it on;line, nothing on BBC or ITV, it's all being kept very quiet and out of the media. As far as I know there have been none of the usual leaks from mp's about what was said to Kendall and if the rebels are still going to vote against these 'reforms'
If anybody can find some info about this I'd be grateful and maybe put a link to the article(s) or news on here, thanks.
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I'm fully expecting them to review the whole of PIP criteria, they've as much as said so several times, including in the green paper. It just depends whether they intend to do so with a view to being more balanced across disabilities than currently, or whether it's designed to lock more people out.
The final consensus on all of this green paper drama may go some way towards influencing it.
I don't think that this is click bait, so much as showing that there is an undercurrent of support for disabled people that has not been there in the past.I still maintain, however, that the general person in the street, until disability affects them, really doesn't think or care much about it. If it's not affecting their taxes they're not too fussed, hence it's harder to motivate them to see the human cost of decisions being made right now. There will also be a fiscal one to them down the line, as there has been with every poor government savings decision for the last 15+ years - but people don't see this clearly until it comes down on their shoulders.
I am not sure whether even the light touch review that currently exists will remain as it is now, if they start changing criteria. It may be like migrating from DLA, when people's lifetime awards were torn up and they were forced to go through gruelling appeals just to establish what the government already knew.
I don't believe anyone is claiming benefits for very minor inconveniences. Anyone who has been through the benefit claim process knows that it's very hard to be awarded anything, even with reams of evidence. I'm sure there are people ASKING about it - but I doubt any of them are actually getting any joy from the system.
Unfortunately my dyscalculic brain can't absorb or make sense of any of the % being tossed about for how many claimants on this or that, and how much may or may not be impacted if they watered down the proposal as has been suggested. At this rate instead of making it more confusing to apply/qualify for PIP, they should just scrap the 4 point condition and admit they were wrong.3 -
Oh OK didn't know 2028 /2029 oh that is good yes they have to so many against it and loads of mps
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What they are doing to us is unforgivable unforgivable never will this ever be forgotten honestly whoever OKs the cuts we will vote out ! Nerves panic attacks the lot
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Hi Anaya ,
Regarding the review into assessment/ criteria I remember Kendall stating they were looking into it further sometime in the future. Then the rebellion started to take hold with more and more labour mps opposing the cuts . Then Kendall announced looking into the assessments/criteria were about to start. I said then it’s either to make the assessments harder and possibly making the 4 point descriptors nearer to the 8 point descriptors . Or they could make the 4 point descriptors closer to the 2 so it makes it easier and softens the process without it being another u turn . Just my opinion and I hope it’s to make things easier for us 🤞🙏
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Thanks, I know it ain't going to be a smooth ride, it's not meant to be for us who happen to be unwell. Daily struggle.
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New research warns that government’s PIP reforms will have a “catastrophic impact” on people’s finances and mental health, and will drive people out of the workplace
5 June 2025
The government’s plans to restrict eligibility for Personal Independence Payment (PIP) will result in a terrifying triple whammy of financial hardship, worsening mental health and reduced capacity to work for many people with mental health problems.
That’s the warning of new research (which you can read here) by the Money and Mental Health Policy Institute — the charity founded and chaired by Martin Lewis (MoneySavingExpert) — which is urging the government to abandon its plans.
PIP is a benefit which people with long term health conditions or disabilities can claim to help cover the extra costs associated with their condition. In March the government announced plans to restrict eligibility to the ‘daily living’ component of PIP, which is intended to help people whose condition makes it difficult to complete daily tasks such as preparing meals, cleaning and dressing, communicating and making budgeting decisions (1).
To qualify for this benefit, people are assessed on how much assistance they need with each of those daily tasks. The more support someone needs, the more points they are awarded, and currently people who score 8 or more points across a range of tasks are eligible.
But under the government’s planned reforms, people will only be eligible for the ‘daily living’ component if they score 4 or more points on a single task, like preparing food or managing a budget. This will make it much harder for people to qualify for the benefit, and it is expected to result in 800,000 people losing their PIP allowance (2).
Money and Mental Health’s new research shows that these changes will have a devastating financial and psychological impact for many people with mental health problems. Based on an in-depth survey of 227 people with a mental health condition who currently receive PIP (3), the research shows:
- A significant number of people with mental health problems expect to lose PIP under the new reforms — and would face a terrifying income shock as a result. 24% of people surveyed say that they will not be eligible for PIP under the new reforms, with another 39% not sure if they’ll be affected. Around a third of the group who expect to lose out receive the ‘enhanced’ rate of PIP due to having high support needs, and face an annual income drop of over £5,750 if they lose this benefit. The rest of this group, who receive the ‘standard’ rate of PIP, will face a still significant income cut of over £3,850 per year.
- Losing PIP would force many people with mental health problems to cut or stop spending on critical support they need to support their wellbeing. 82% of respondents who use PIP to pay for counselling, therapy, personal care or support needs — and who are set to lose this benefit — say they will significantly reduce or stop spending on this altogether if they lose PIP. A research participant said: “I feel incredibly distressed at the prospect of losing additional money that goes towards therapy. The amount I get is not covering all the additional costs that come with mental health difficulties as it is.”
- Losing PIP would also have a huge impact on people’s ability to keep up with day-to-day bills. 85% of survey respondents who use PIP to pay for groceries say they will need to significantly cut or stop spending on this, as do 76% who use PIP to pay for essential household bills.
- The cumulative impact of these changes would be devastating for people’s mental health. A staggering 97% of respondents say the PIP changes would have a “significant negative impact” on their mental health. Some respondents reported that the prospect of losing PIP has resulted in them having panic attacks or feeling suicidal.
- A significant number of people also say that these reforms would force them out of work, or to reduce their hours. Around one in five survey respondents who currently receive PIP are in employment. But 63% of that group say they would need to reduce or give up work if they lost their PIP entitlement. For some, this is due to the impact it would have on their mental health, while others said they would not be able to afford the transport costs of going to work. Another respondent said: “PIP pays for the private therapy… which keeps my mental health at a functioning level most of the time. Without these I doubt I could even manage the permitted work hours (14 hours per week) that I do.”
Helen Undy, Chief Executive of the Money and Mental Health Policy Institute, said
“The message to the government from this research is clear – its proposed changes to PIP will have a catastrophic impact on people with mental health problems’ wellbeing, finances, and working lives.
“Getting PIP can be the difference between being able to afford the treatment, support and everyday essentials you need, or facing worsening mental health and financial hardship. Some of the people we’ve spoken to say they will struggle to survive day-to-day if they lose this payment and that even the prospect of it has contributed to them having suicidal thoughts.
“The government says its welfare reforms will help more people move into work. But you don’t do that by depriving people of a critical financial lifeline that helps them stay well. Our analysis shows that these changes would actually result in many people with mental health problems who have a job cutting their hours or leaving the workplace altogether.
“We urge the government to ditch these plans. Balancing the books should not come at the price of causing misery and hardship for some of the most vulnerable people in society.”
https://www.moneyandmentalhealth.org/press-release/pip-changes-catastrophic-impact/
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Just watched something on politics Joe , I always listen to the women on there as I think she's very good and very assured....
She basically said even though all the labour MPs are rebelling , it's common knowledge that alot will simply abstain or not go against the government and these reforms will pass .... BUT she also said that these reforms will absolutely not go through on their current form , she said that there are definitely going to be tweaks and amendments to them from what's she's heard
She also raised the very serious point that no one seems to be giving any time too at the moment , that being the people that are on ESA / lcwra but NO pip and how dangerous it could be as if they don't qualify for pip they loose everything .…
Very worrying in my opinion that it isn't getting alot of airtime and it seems to be only pip that is getting mentioned....
She said that the WCA is looking to get scrapped in 2028 and that everyone will be under the new pip rules then ....
Also reassessments are going to start back up again for everything , with the emphasis on more face to face reassessments , god knows where that leaves me I haven't been outside in nearly 6 years 😩
I really hoping that the government will look at amendments to the people not on pip as well ..... Im sick of feeling terrified , it's with you from the second you open your eyes to the second you close them , just this constant Doom , I get this times a hundred because of my serve OCD and intrusive thoughts....
normally it's hard enough just concentrating on one standard reassessment to pass , now it's the fear of knowing your normal reassessment is coming , the pressure of passing that , then if you pass it will all be changing in 2028 and there's a good chance you could loose in my case everything then , ( what do you do just let it steal your life for the next 2 and a half years ! )....
Plus the paranoia of the bank checks and them finding old undeclared accounts that have been closed for over 5 years ....
I don't know how much more I can take , I have no contact with the outside world , just stuck between these walls for 6 years in December , I can hardly move , just sit in silence and watch it go dark , then light , dark then light , all while trying to do these poxy rituals that have ruined my life
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All I can say Danny is I really hope things get better for you, me and everyone else. I wish I could somehow make everything ok but it’s a horrible world we live in. I’m thinking of you mate.
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They must know if this goes through they’ve lost the voters at the next election.
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What i would like to know that if it goes through can they change there mind later on after the impact statements ?
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All valid points .... 🙂
My thinking to those is
1. I've only ever had face to face and always passed them , and the chances of me having a face to face are very slim this time around as I haven't been outside once in nearly 6 years
2. I see your point to this but with the back logs who knows when our next reassessment will be under the wca , the back logs are massive .... I myself haven't had one since 2019 in November and was supposed to get one in November 2021 , so this November will be six years since I've had one and 4 overdue .... Plus what they say they are going to do and what they can actually do is two different things , they will also have there hands full with the new pip criteria
3. Like you say who knows , but to be fair as hard as it is not to , that is a fear that has no basis of anything you've heard , and they cannot just leave people completey destitute , I know it's hard to believe at the moment but try not to let your fears cloud what's actually isn't even been said ( hard I know ) 😌
4. It would be stressful , unfortunately either way , but I would say alot can change between now and when the wca gets scrapped , I think pip is getting the coverage because it's the next change that will happen , but I think when it's time too do it they will have alot of worried people on Thier hands and amendments will be needed , I think because there will be no change for people like us till 2028 that is the reason why more has not being made of it , pip has dominated headlines because that is where the biggest change is coming next , nearer the time of the WCA being scrapped I'm sure we will hear alot more about it
5 . This is that doom creeping on to your head that we all get and unfortunately find it hard to deal with , that is the very worst case scenario , which I doubt will happen .... Remember they can't just literally leave people like that
Just before I wrote my last post I was having panic attacks , I couldn't breathe and the worst was flying around my head , once I calmed down and tried to think a little more logically it's easier to think .... There will definitely be amendments to all of these things whether it be pip , wca , esa .... They can't just leave us to rot 😌
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Thank you pal , I've just had a massive panic attack , it's funny sometimes I feel at my best just after I've got over one , it's like it takes it out of you so much you feel almost relaxed 😌
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