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There is no credible evidence that Labour is attempting to push welfare reforms through using a Money Bill—which is a special parliamentary procedure that limits scrutiny—although they are certainly pressing ahead with significant welfare changes via the standard legislative route.
Here’s what we do know:
🔍 What’s actually happening
- Labour is moving forward with major welfare savings (about £5 bn by 2029/30), including major changes to Personal Independence Payments (PIP) and the health-related elements of Universal Credit theguardian.com+9news.sky.com+9theguardian.com+9ft.com+1independent.co.uk+1.
- These reforms follow the Spring Statement of 26 March 2025, and are being processed via standard Commons and Lords scrutiny and votes—not through the Money Bill process .
- The work-and-pensions secretary, Liz Kendall, has outright stated that Labour won’t back down on these reforms, with parliamentary votes expected later in the year thetimes.co.uk+6news.sky.com+6theguardian.com+6.
🛑 Why no Money Bill
- A Money Bill can only cover taxation, spending from the Consolidated Fund, or National Debt charges, and must receive a certificate from the Speaker (per the Parliament Act).
- Welfare eligibility and benefit thresholds are policy matters, not core funding mechanisms — so they don’t qualify as Money Bills.
✅ In conclusion
- Labour’s welfare changes are real and substantial, but they're being pursued through the normal legislative process, with all the usual scrutiny and opportunities for amendment—not via a Money Bill.
- I found no reputable reporting or credible statements suggesting an attempt to bypass parliamentary oversight by treating them as a Money Bill.
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I hope you’re right Charlie, I can’t see how it would pass as a money vote . They could pass anything in parliament that way if it’s that easy as everything costs money so by removing something must save money . Hope that makes sense as I’m talking gobbldy gook .
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Afternoon all,
I hope everyone's doing ok.
I've seen some mention of a potential money bill so just wanted to clarify, this has not been announced by the Government. It looks to be a lone (or certainly not very widely published) article without any official confirmation. Something we've seen a lot of from certain media outlets throughout this process.
On another note, I've created a new discussion for yesterday's spending announcement, just to keep it separate and avoid any confusion with this Green Paper discussion here - The Government Spending Review Announcement June 2025 — Scope | Online Community
Best wishes all.
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There’s no need to worry about these disability benefit changes being rushed through as a money bill, because that simply isn’t possible for this kind of law. A money bill can only be used for things that are just about government spending or raising money, not for bigger policy changes like who qualifies for benefits or how assessments are done.
The government has made it clear these changes will go through primary legislation, which means the plans will be debated and voted on by both the House of Commons and the House of Lords, giving MPs and peers a chance to review and suggest changes before anything becomes law.
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I actually have to grit my teeth to agree that I agree the Tories weren't the grim reapers this lot are! but I do agree. They came up with a load of rubbish about vouchers, catalogues etc. (again, without thinking it through) but never went so far as to try and rush cuts through Parliament.
I'm also a fan of nature and wildlife etc. and one of the groups is talking about how this "government" has backed down regarding the badger culls.
I therefore also used this as an opportunity to demonstrate that Labour are going for anyone or anything that is vulnerable, including chronically ill and disabled people. I haven't had any responses, but trust me, I won't shut up. :)1 -
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A interesting article which has just been released.
https://youtu.be/MtOS_QzQlSs?si=kU1m8T4nNJKtQpUm
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YES fantastic let's remind them who has the power !!!
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God I'm so proud of us look what can happen when we build each other up and support each other x
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Sorry that was me I do apologise I started panicking I understand it frightens people I'm sorry if I scared anyone
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Who is 'we'? I have one vote, and live in a different constituency to you.
I can't fault you for your effort, but I just can't imagine MPs being scared of losing the disabled vote. The grey vote? middle England? They are terrified of them.
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Hi @Catherine21 it's completely understandable it'd worry you when you read something like that, especially with the amount of misleading and often quite alarming coverage we've seen. I hope you're doing ok. I've seen you've been championing contacting MP's again which is brilliant and a great place to focus that energy! 💪☺️
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Don't apologise, media sites and other clickbait shouldn't put articles like that online, especially when they know vulnerable people will read them, panic, and re-post them again, just what they want to happen!! I blame them entirely for spreading false news and adding to already anxious, worried, even terrified peoples concerns about these 'reforms'. and making our lives even more unbearable. I get why people post these comments, they panic(which is what they want) and we all want answers at present, we'll know a lot more after next week hopefully, until then nobody knows what this governments plans are, doubtless they know either!!
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First reading of the Welfare Reform Bill will be next week - 18 June 2025. The second reading and vote will be on 3 July 2025.
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Your so right thankyou I did read your post breaking it down much appreciated
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People, you have no right to complain if you don't bother to vote!
Most of this thread is one person's phone notifications from x twit and GB 'news' in oversized text! It's enough to drive anyone barmy 🙄
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Hi loucie,
I always got the impression the Tory green paper was a last ditch attempt to win the election and not a serious attempt at stopping pip . It was rushed to the point that it wasn’t even accepted in court . Labour according to Ellen Clifford fought tooth and nail and when they lost made sure their bill is water tight.
They’re spending all this money on net zero but have said they’re not interested in saving wildlife or even swift boxes in new homes . Not only do they want to see us homeless but even birds . Complete bunch of psychopaths. Even Tony Blair saved the foxes fgs . Usually I can find something good in a party as I don’t support one in particular but this lot as vile . God I’d love to see this voted down not only for our sakes but to see the look on their faces .3 -
Hi MW , I can’t even think this is legal on some many points
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Holly it's been a year!! That I joined like a bull in a China shop not my proudest moment I cannot express what scope the group have done for me personally as a person it's given me so much strenght and understanding of myself that I can look for advice and comfort from people without feeling I'm a burden or showing weakness it's unexplainable the day I came across this group someone was looking out for me I was in a bad bad way I haven't forgot nightcity summerlove poppy kimm and apples meg24 and many great kind people really feel grateful for everyone on here
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This is a test of mental endurance, I failed that test on Tuesday, just broke down in anger and tears but don't feel despondent there are people who do care and it's not some BS, it's legitimate care.
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