Green Paper Related Discussions

There is no credible evidence that Labour is attempting to push welfare reforms through using a Money Bill—which is a special parliamentary procedure that limits scrutiny—although they are certainly pressing ahead with significant welfare changes via the standard legislative route.

Here’s what we do know:

🔍 What’s actually happening

• Labour is moving forward with major welfare savings (about £5 bn by 2029/30), including major changes to Personal Independence Payments (PIP) and the health-related elements of Universal Credit theguardian.com+9news.sky.com+9theguardian.com+9ft.com+1independent.co.uk+1.
• These reforms follow the Spring Statement of 26 March 2025, and are being processed via standard Commons and Lords scrutiny and votes—not through the Money Bill process .
• The work-and-pensions secretary, Liz Kendall, has outright stated that Labour won’t back down on these reforms, with parliamentary votes expected later in the year thetimes.co.uk+6news.sky.com+6theguardian.com+6.

🛑 Why no Money Bill

• A Money Bill can only cover taxation, spending from the Consolidated Fund, or National Debt charges, and must receive a certificate from the Speaker (per the Parliament Act).
• Welfare eligibility and benefit thresholds are policy matters, not core funding mechanisms — so they don’t qualify as Money Bills.

✅ In conclusion

• Labour’s welfare changes are real and substantial, but they're being pursued through the normal legislative process, with all the usual scrutiny and opportunities for amendment—not via a Money Bill.
• I found no reputable reporting or credible statements suggesting an attempt to bypass parliamentary oversight by treating them as a Money Bill.

I actually have to grit my teeth to agree that I agree the Tories weren't the grim reapers this lot are! but I do agree. They came up with a load of rubbish about vouchers, catalogues etc. (again, without thinking it through) but never went so far as to try and rush cuts through Parliament.

I'm also a fan of nature and wildlife etc. and one of the groups is talking about how this "government" has backed down regarding the badger culls.

I therefore also used this as an opportunity to demonstrate that Labour are going for anyone or anything that is vulnerable, including chronically ill and disabled people. I haven't had any responses, but trust me, I won't shut up. :)

A interesting article which has just been released.

https://youtu.be/MtOS_QzQlSs?si=kU1m8T4nNJKtQpUm

Who is 'we'? I have one vote, and live in a different constituency to you.

I can't fault you for your effort, but I just can't imagine MPs being scared of losing the disabled vote. The grey vote? middle England? They are terrified of them.

Don't apologise, media sites and other clickbait shouldn't put articles like that online, especially when they know vulnerable people will read them, panic, and re-post them again, just what they want to happen!! I blame them entirely for spreading false news and adding to already anxious, worried, even terrified peoples concerns about these 'reforms'. and making our lives even more unbearable. I get why people post these comments, they panic(which is what they want) and we all want answers at present, we'll know a lot more after next week hopefully, until then nobody knows what this governments plans are, doubtless they know either!!

Hi loucie,

I always got the impression the Tory green paper was a last ditch attempt to win the election and not a serious attempt at stopping pip . It was rushed to the point that it wasn’t even accepted in court . Labour according to Ellen Clifford fought tooth and nail and when they lost made sure their bill is water tight.
They’re spending all this money on net zero but have said they’re not interested in saving wildlife or even swift boxes in new homes . Not only do they want to see us homeless but even birds . Complete bunch of psychopaths. Even Tony Blair saved the foxes fgs . Usually I can find something good in a party as I don’t support one in particular but this lot as vile . God I’d love to see this voted down not only for our sakes but to see the look on their faces .