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No, I wrote specifically about North Korea. Yoga, by the way, is in India. 😏
In the USSR, the retirement age was reduced by five years in 1967. Putin, on the contrary, raised the retirement age in 2018.
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IImagine Timms family be ashamed of him he will lie himself out of it imagine the shame
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The latest is job coaches in doctors surgeries and no one will be forced into a job they can so one my doctor says he will fight for me what will they do offer the doctors massive payrise to go against us it's becoming most stupid by the day scrambling for ideas shows have no real plan like when your at a restaurant and you told to hurry up make a choice what do you want playing with our lives scrap and go back to the billboard and come out with a kinder fairer system !!!!!
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Morning Squirrel 🐿️
I do enjoy our chats too. 😊
That is shocking, although not surprising about your experience with PIP leaving you bedridden. Especially with our condition.
When I went from DLA to PIP about 7-8 years ago, the experience made me a lot more immobile than I'd been too, and further lengthened my periods in bed, quite considerably.
I can see how you compare benefits assessors to judges. In many cases, as you've said, they can become judge AND executioner.😱
You're welcome to the post. 😊 A theory jumped straight into my head that this could be the thin end of a dangerous wedge.
If they want to start ruling that we need 12 points for standard daily living instead of 8 I believe that it's very likely that they will then rule that we would need 16 instead of 12 points for enhanced,
That would then mean that we could end up in an even worse position than if we had to get 4 points in one activity!
It would be well nigh impossible for most people on standard to get 12 points and many people who now get enhanced would be robbed of it! 😳
I don't think that the MPs who are on our side are in the mood to back down with a trick like that. It's being said that they are not going to accept any "tweaks" as they call them.
They are calling for the government to give a consultation that reflects disabled people's views properly and on all the parts of the consultation, not just the ones they think we are allowed to answer, to suit them. 😤
They also want the whole thing postponed until October until all the impact assessments, especially the OBRs have been considered by MPs.
The way I see it, either way, whether it's about getting 4 points for an activity or getting a minimum of 12 to get PIP DL, it will mean that we will all end up losing our benefits however they work it.
They are crafty monsters. 👺 I don't know about a carry on film, it seems like more of a hardcore horror film to me!
I'd be interested to know what you think of my theory. 🤔
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Thank you. 😊
I did enjoy picking my new glasses. I'm very pleased with them. 🤓 It's dealing with people I don't know, however pleasent, that is a problem with my anxiety and the whole thing completely wore me out too, which, of course I was expecting.
I was useless for the rest of the day! 😴🛏️
I agree that we must look after ourselves and do something we enjoy doing, regularly, preferably every day, if it's possible. It is most important to take regular breaks from the stress of all this, or else we would cease being able to function at all and risk endangering our sanity.
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she will justify the cuts no doubt
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Well, for me I was (nearly) a lifelong Labour voter, but NEVER AGAIN 😡 after this. I will never be able to forgive or forget after what has been done to us. As far as I'm concerned, Starmer has consigned them to history.
I will never vote Conservative anyway and that's lifelong. I'm too left leaning for that.
I did do a protest vote with the Lib Dems when odious Blair was in after he started to show his true colours but would not vote for them now after what they did with the Conservatives in the coalition, against disabled people. Their current leader Ed Davey apparently doesn't have a good track record of dealing with disabled people, in the coalition years.
That leaves the Green Party. I think green issues are important but not as important as they do. The main thing about the Greens is that their attitude towards disabled people is excellent,
Their manifesto promises to us at the GE last year were spot on, like Jeremy Corbyn's were before the Labour right wing unfairly smeared him with untrue accusations and got him kicked out of the party.
I believe that a lot more people than Starmer thinks, will vote for the Greens and the Lib Dems and they will be a substantial part of the reason why Labour will lose the next GE.
I reckon that Reform UK will be part of the reason why Labour will lose the election but not the main reason, as delusional Starmer thinks!
Labour have a lot more to fear from their own voters going to the Greens and Lib Dems than going to Reform.
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We need to write to mps saying could be a rumour but to put job coaches in doctors a step to far leave us ALONE !!! Peace starmer stated he had a right to a private life what about us
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Thank you 😊 I got a pair of glasses I'm really pleased with 🤓 but I find it so difficult to deal with people I don't know with my anxiety disorder. Anyway, I've only got to wait for my glasses now.
I think that we have so much in the way of support for our cause that they have will have to reduce the effects of the cuts a lot for us or alternatively they will be forced into letting us engage properly with the consulation plus being made to wait until the other impact assessments come in, especially the OBR's in October so that MPs can really see in detail the terrible consequences to us of these cuts.
That would blow the whole thing wide open, ministers gaslighting would no longer work and MPs would be able to see our situation for what it actually is and what it always was.
A money saving exercise, with nothing to do with getting disabled people, most of who can't work, back into work. Even those that can work, if they lose their support, they will lose their jobs anyway.
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Absolutely right! 😡 The DWP try to override everybody, even top surgeons, in your case.
The DWP have been given too much power and don't they know it! 😤
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Timms is the Lord Voldemort of the DWP and Kendall Bellatrix lestrange.
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Well this is interesting, just for info don't want to cause any upset. Hope it works as a cut and pase.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/30/benefits-foreigners-near-cost-1bn-month/
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I want to thank you all for contributing to this important and emotional discussion around the proposed Green Paper and benefit reforms. It’s clear how deeply these issues affect us, and it’s completely understandable that many are feeling angry, worried, and let down, those feelings are valid, and I hope you all continue to share them here.
However, I do need to gently remind everyone that personal insults or comments about the appearance of MPs or anyone else aren’t appropriate here. These kinds of posts have had to be removed as they go against the spirit of the community and can undermine the powerful points people are making.
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I cant see how she can deny but it's been proven a scam let her lie they are just an embarrassment shameful
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Placing work coaches in GP surgeries was an inspiration of David Cameron's government, which Liz Kendall and co. are copying. I'm even too nice to call this stupidity an inspiration.
This was part of strategy of the then DWP's secretary, Evil Dumb Smith, purportedly intended "to bring jobcentres and their culture of welfare sanctions into the heart of the NHS."
They even piloted it focusing on patients who suffered from mental health problems in Islington borough of London. If it was successful, we would be seeing work coaches well-established at GP surgeries by now.
All Liz Kendall has got is stuff she's copying from the past Tory governments, including scrapping the WCA, linking health services and jobcentres, and the infamous 4pts scoring system.
When she got appointed as the shadow secretary for the DWP in Sept. 2023, she said that she had always dreamed of becoming one day the secretary of the DWP.
She has been dreaming of her current post for this long just to come and copy others.
I'm sure she has been dreaming of holding this post just to give hard time to people on benefits and nothing else, even though she's coming from one of the poorest constituencies across the country.
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I imagine you were tired out afterwards. I had to make one official call and had to sleep afterwards. Of course I then wake in pain again. I can imagine how fatigued you were afterwards.
Regarding the points system I agree the way it seems to you is worse , though it’s all bad for some. The thing that scares me is the mps voting don’t understand the pip system. For them to be told “ only” 10% will lose pip when it’s clearly the other way around is ridiculous. The original 4 point rule would almost wipe out standard albeit 13% who get the 4 points . I would be among the enhanced 13% who don’t get 4 points so no longer disabled yet currently on enhanced. Your thinking would mean almost all of us losing . Standard no longer existing and only those in the top points of enhanced. They’re determined to leave us with nothing and I don’t think it’s to do with money. They’re throwing money around without worrying apart from when it comes to us . And if they continue to reinstate the WFA( which they should) and scrap the two child limit they won’t save a penny from us in fact it’ll cost them in tribunals. They’re saying they need to bring down the welfare bill but it will increase if anything . Compared to what they’re spending we are talking small amounts . It’s like when they compared pip to pocket money, well to them it is . It’s probably what they claim in expenses each day .1 -
This is nothing but the usual racist and xenophobic lies of the Torygraph, Daily Garbage, etc. Anyone claim anything and say it's according to statistics. Statistics is another of lying.
It says:
"Benefits claims by households with at least one foreign national have doubled to nearly £1 billion a month in the past three years."
How to find out accurately how many foreigners are in a household? Imposible, unless we're in North Korea.
They want to blame foreigners for the bad governance, corruption, and lame -duckness of the leaders of the country.
They should better talk to us about the £58.8 bn of public money lost in fraud since COVID pandemic began, according to the National Audit Office.
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Both Lib Dem and the Greens have great chances out of the voter discontentment and exodus from Labour and the Cons, but they don't seem to be capitalising on these opportunities. Alas.
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I imagine if they did this there would be a lot of upset and possibly aggressive patients /claimants at the Drs surgery. This could potentially put the staff at risk . Don’t job centres have security guards? Will our Dr surgeries now need security too ?
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You're right, this would only bring violence into GP practices. Many times jobcentres staff have staged strikes against violence inflicted upon them, including "staff being savaged in the neck by dogs, punched, attacked with screwdrivers and customers behaving ‘like wild animals, or staff claiming to have been driven home because an angry customer was waiting for them outside the job centre."
Do they want to turn GP surgeries into a scene of constant verbal abuses, including racial abuses, shouts, and attacks, or GPs to be driven home, as patients would also vent out their anger towards their GPs and the admin staff of their surgeries, as these are the ones who would supposedly be referring patients to work coaches!!
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