Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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The grilling will be akin to the one Gus would give me.
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How do you work that out? A PIP claimant in a good job could easily have savings of £16K plus. Therefore, no UC.
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@Catherine21 No. The Speaker doesn't have to accept ammendments tabled.
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You've done what you had to do and I can only commend you for this - asking her those questions and feeding her answers on these and others back on here.
She couldn't answer your questions and gave you the wrong information on the question she had answered. The increase of the health element is only for the new claimants on LCWRA that qualify for the so-called "severe conditions". In fact, this is neither an increase nor a premium (as Kendall used to parrot it) but the current rate. which I receive myself. They just want to make it a premium for the new claimants and fool the MPs.
In addition, her claim that the health element for the current claimants on LCWRA would be frozen from 2026 to 2029 is false, and therefore misleading. In fact, this was the case prior to the so-called concessions, which I call lip service to fool the revolting MPs, But the fake concessions have lifted such a proposed freeze on the health element for the current claimants on LCWRA, and it would only apply to the new claimants.
Freezing or unfreezing the health element for the current claimants on LCWRA, is not really a concern, as we're only talking about less than £5 per month. We're rather worried about the assessment and what type of assessment criteria we would be assessed with once the WCA is scrapped, and, alas, it seems to be the damn 4pt based scoring system, which would tremendously reduce the number of claimants on LCWRA (both new and existing ones) to a few thousands in a couple of years' time.
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This is the real horror of it, combining normal Jobseekers with disabled people in the ESA Support group who have been medically assessed in the same way as those on PIP, just as if they are equal. This is will lead to poverty and suicide. It’s pure evil.
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That side yes I can see but if the DWP played fair on genuine claimants with evidence loads of evidence that would be very confident thier doing the right thing but nah they target a majority of claimants who are obviously entitled and still make them suffer and jump through hoops
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They made everything a mess absolute mess so was that a consultation they arranged in your area ?
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I’ve written to my MP Louise Elizabeth Jones, twice now, and her replies are that she’s towing the Starmer line. Enjoy being an MP while it lasts dear.
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There is no way there is that many people a day getting awarded pip , that is that silly rehtoric that they roll out when they get stuck trying to defend themselves , absolute rubbish
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Other groups already have. Trans people have effectively lost legal rights and safe access to services, and asylum seekers are also facing similar barriers.
the other things you've outlined are why i, as a disabled person who's currently able to look towards working, seeka to move abroad long term. i suspect a lot of younger brits - even ableds - will do the same.
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How many people assessed as disabled enough to receive PIP do you think have built up savings in excess of £16,000 to disqualify them from UC? I would say it's an argument for means-testing PIP if there are significant numbers of people stashing away hundreds of pounds a month in savings, but I'm confident it will be a minuscule number at best.
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They are ONS figures, independent of government spin.
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Attacking 😂 Wow sensitivity overload 🙄
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The number would be tiny, but we'll never know as money is quite a taboo subject in this country. the majority of PIP claimants who work won't talk about it openly if they aren't involved in disability rights.
I suspect PIP is more likely to have helped disabled people build up any form of savings to begin with. Most likely just an emergency fund, though, not investing.
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It's a really tough balancing act for governments. I do know the current PIP assessment system is really tough, especially on new claimants who will often get a 0 point score, and need to know about appeals and tribunals to get a fair hearing. This is where I think the chancers proceed happily to a successful tribunal outcome, and many really vulnerable and disabled people fall out of the system through just giving up without even knowing their rights.
But how could you fix the assessment system in order to get better results, without letting even more fraudsters through at the expense of taxpayers?
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All, please can we keep this civil. We appreciate that tensions are incredibly high, but we are becoming increasingly concerned about some of the communications between members on this discussion. The last thing we want to do is to pause this chat at such an important time…
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If the government doesn't know, they soon will since they've granted themselves the rights to go on fishing expeditions through our banks and savings accounts. 😎
Saving a bit of money from PIP for future unexpected events is really smart. Being able to save up in excess of £16,000 would be pretty distasteful for taxpayers who are living paycheque-to-paycheque with basically nothing in the savings pot. But yeah, I definitely don't think many of the 16% of PIP claimants working will have saved anything like £16,000 to disqualify them from UC.
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Thursday June26th 2025 MetroTalk/Letters
[ ] Can we ever imagine a time when the British Govt. of the day wont seek tomake the sick and disabled pay for its spending choices in other areas?
Philip Duval Manchester.
Keep writing to your M,Ps, please…
Wemight just win all we want with no 2tier PIP system, as
not all Labour MPs are prepared to support a 2tuier PIP system and will vote against it.
As I say, its not over until its over.
And like Mandela said ''The possible always seems impossible until it is done.
If we hesitate, we can lose procrastination is the enemy of compassionate victories.
Courage is freedom; commitment is liberation.
Go to it dear disabled folks and comrades.
Why do I bother to care so much, people ask?
My life is about generating, developing, more self-compassion along with compassion for others, the wise middle way.
My life is the struggle against discrimination, for socialism, abnd mindful kindnesses.
I have no enemies, it is about Joy, and The Hope Collective is a writers charity group that is about to publish a poem of mine called Joy, based on a tribute to Chapter 15 in
The Dhammapada/ Sayings of the Buddha called joy/ Supreme Happiness/ Nirvana
We need to keep heal ourselves with the natural empathy listening and kind presence of other disabled people to move from oppression, disablism to liberation and happiness.Let no on tell you you are less than other human beings.
We need Disability Pride, Mad Pride, but not arrogance.
This reversal of stigma psychology will and does make us joyful, and is necessary to fuel the politics of resistance to oppression, whether of not in the form of getting u turns on winter fuel payments, or disability benefits, or not.
We are human beings who DO deserve equality, and help coproduced with allies, and the govt - a 'Labour' govt! has chosen this cruelty of benefits cuts, we choose to respond with sweet reason, with making a case, with legal challenges, with no hatred, with being better morally and spiritually and politically than our oppressors.
We are human beings who deserve better.
We SHALL overcome.
Please keep writing to the media and to MPs, its not too late.
And finally, I would not object if some disabled people chained themselves to the railings of 10 - 11 Downing St, SW1A OAA, the homes of the Prime Minister and the Chancellor,
as long as they do it well with non-violent direct action techniques, non-violent communication.
It would show our love for our 'enemies' and would engender massive publicity for our just and very compassionate cause.
WE DESERVE FAR BETTER, WE NEED COMPASSION AND SOCIAL JUSTIOCE DEAR FRIENDS.
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