Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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Thanks Bella ,
You would think Starmer as a lawyer would be interested in the law and equality but obviously not .
Screenshots are the most technical I get I’m afraid 😂. I have no idea how I would get the link from my app on my phone to this forum . Passerby has been trying to reach me how to pass the firewall on news sites for ages but I may as well be learning brain surgery 😀
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I believe you have made assumptions, you have no idea what the health is like on the new claimants, trusting the government, assuming that if they targeting specific people it must mean they fraudsters. Evidence has been provided to you in the thread.
So its either both PIP and pensions are unaffordable, or they both affordable, something doesnt just become affordable because of political needs with older voters. Its both or neither. Its a bit like me going to a betting shop to spend £100 on a bet, and then telling my wife I cant afford to give her £20 for food shopping.People seem to just conveniently know someone. All the people I know on benefits didnt reveal it until we had built up a level of trust. The average person is not going to just tell strangers that sort of thing.
Also lets say there is fraud, you think the solution of cutting off support for adaptations solves that problem? Its not a fraud targeting measure its a blatant cut of support from a lot of people. It was a tweak to the eligibility rules, nothing to do with fleecing, fraud or whatever, just a plain simple cut. The fraud rate is under 1%, but I suppose you will ignore that fact as well.
Cutting off support without fixing the social issues, is akin to plugging your ears, we can pretend these people arent disabled anymore as they off the benefit system, this then lets us pretend the NHS isnt that bad, and councils are not on their knees providing social care. The idea that the reason people are disabled is because of motivation is nonsense.6 -
Is this the MP that got moved from a DWP role to the whip just before the election?
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I don’t know as I’d never heard of her before. I’ve never taken an interest in labour or politics much .
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Hi @worried33 - members don't always read the House rules which say,
'Please be careful about sharing information.
- Always check that information is correct and appropriate.
- Do not present opinions as facts.
- Share reputable sources of information.'
It's a shame when people read something, & then assume that that is indeed fact. From my background, & still maintaining an interest in medical matters, I learnt a long time ago to check in at least 3 places to see if something 'might' be true. The 'fact' that a medical paper was published in a journal might not of itself matter an iota. What was the journal, was it highly thought about, or a 3rd class journal where at least they could get published, had the paper been peer reviewed, & what, if any, were the authors financial disclosures such as the research had been funded by a pharmaceutical company?
This is much like this thread - where have people got their info from, is it a reputable source, do other reputable sources say the same, or are they just the normal political rhetoric that says a lot without saying much of substance?
I still check everything from 3 sources (or more)! I spend more time away from the forum than on it in reading, because, as you know, it's so important to ascertain those 'facts.'
However, as the saying goes, 'you can lead a horse to water…..'
I don't think we'll change some people's assumptions whether by giving links or reasoned arguments, because they 'know.'
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@chiarieds Good advice as always. I'm going say to myself in the coming days reading anything online 'Is something a FACT or is it an opinion?'
A fact is a statement that can be verified.
It can be proven to be true or false through objective evidence
An opinion is a statement that expresses a feeling, an attitude, a value judgment, or a belief.
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She used to be Shadow Minister for Civil Society until the 2020 Labour Party leadership election in which she endorsed Lisa Nandy. And she served as Lord Commissioner of the Treasury until her heroic resignation about ten days ago.
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I'm more Guinness than genius!
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I have not made assumptions and I have not said the increase is fraudsters. The fact remains the increases since the pandemic have never been seen before and it is to many claiming benefits to the point that the total bill is now unaffordable. Everything I have typed in the post you have replied to is fact and can easily be read on the internet. The total cost is £69 billion and unsustainable. This has been discussed numerous times by experts and I thought everyone would know.
People have paid into the state pension for 35 years while they worked, the state pension is not in this discussion, as it should be affordable. It is the total cost of PIP now that is unaffordable and unsustainable.
Young people clearly don't care who knows what they do or are on. I know they are on LCWCA but I only know their first names.
What are you talking about cutting support from what? I have not suggested anything about cutting support.
When I have discussed ill health benefits I am on about all ill health benefits including UC. Even the DWP think UC is fleeced as they have employed 1,000 investigators and checking claimants bank accounts. This has all been on the news and discussed on the internet. Starmer has shouted about it for months too. They said the fraud on PIP is small, yet numerous are in court accused of milking tens of thousands and can run marathons like one lady. I don't believe their figure.
The fact remains the total bill for all benefits is now unaffordable and unsustainable and changes have to be made, I can accept that. To increase taxes on working people will backfire on Reeves as working people have had enough and she has been warned. Working people want something done about it too, but not at the expense of the disabled. You don't have to earn that much now to be paying 40% tax, the tax thresholds have not been increased, it is getting to a point it does not pay to have a job when nearly half your earnings is gone in tax then there are all the other deductions... Sod that, no wonder there are more claiming benefits....
Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion, and I hope you don't have any hassle over your claim. I am not going to reply again, it is clear we are not going to agree on this area. I just want disabled people to have a good benefit system without a cruel process. Cheers.
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If this is directed at me, I have investigated everything I have typed on this forum. It is all on the internet to read. The fact remains the total bill for benefits is now unaffordable and unsustainable and changes need to be made, I can accept that. I don't trust Reeves and she will go a lot further when she gets the nod. £5 billion is not a big saving in the overall scheme of things. A shame it has got to this but the increase in claims on PIP alone are unprecedented and unaffordable and you can't take more tax off working people. Reeves has been warned about that already. We'll have to see how it goes!
I won't be replying again, we clearly don't agree on this area.
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Existing PIP and UC health claimantswill now be protected from the new criteria, which will apply only to new applicants fromNovember 2026.
This is the first time I come across that "existing
UC health claimantswill now be protected from the new criteria, which will apply only to new applicants fromNovember 2026."How true is this?
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At least people would believe you if you say to them that you're more Guinness. While they would take you for a charlatan if you say to them that you're a genius.
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A very stable genius even.
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Please read this thread for those who were saying that assessors were honest and didn't lie.
How do you explain from enhanced rate all the way to a big fat zero points on both daily living component and mobility!
https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/136050/pip-review-zero-points#latest
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Who will count as disabled? Worth a read:
https://substack.com/inbox/post/167063179?r=5yck4b&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true&triedRedirect=true
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@chiarieds I do agree, I did report my own post, inviting scope staff to delete if they think I went too far in my reply, and to avoid further comments on it, have put him on ignore, so I dont get dragged in on this subject, I should have just moved on.
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not yet
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Well, there are down sides to bipolar disorder and I to be honest I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy!. I have had two nervous breakdowns because of it, and been made homeless twice!, but, NOT on the street as I am very lucky and I come from a lovely family we are all blood related, but its very sad for me as NOT one of them suffers with bipolar disorder!. I have always felt the black sheep of the family because of it!. The ONLY person in my family that had bipolar was my deceased great aunt Win and I can't exactly talk to her!. I am going to go to a self help group run by my favourite charity Bipolar U.K!. Our CEO is Simon Kitchen and when I leave this world I am going to donate a large piece of my money to Bipolar U.K. At my very worst I am in a darkened room for hours asleep, hardly being able to feed myself, not going out to see any one and wishing I really really wasn't in this world!. The stable times are the best as I feel half normal then lol!. Then theres the high times I then feel I am superwoman and I can conquer the world!. Many people with bipolar become famous writers as we have a vivid imagination and high creative skills.
I am writing all this as I WANT to spread awareness of bipolar disorder!, at the moment I am feeling VERY GOOD and VERY WELL. I am NOT here to patronize, or critsise people in society as at the end of the day I am only a person with a heartbeat that is trying to do her best for people in this sometimes difficult, distressing, mixed up world we live in!. So, please don't take any of this personally as I am only trying to explain my illness. I do have Bipolar U.K and there are many people in my home town that have bipolar unfortunately bless their hearts and I send them my love!
I have my own language business, and you will find a LOT of people with bipolar are Entrepreneurs!. We can ONLY work in certain environments you see! We can do library work, therapist jobs, gardening, cleaning, accountancy. Jobs where we have a small team and are left to our own devices as bipolar is a stress related disease, so please don't put too much stress on us! . We are above average intelligence and Sir Winston Churchill had bipolar he called it the black dog! I am lucky because I have NO addictions, I don't smoke, I hardly drink, only once a week on a saturday night!, I have never done drugs in my life either. My parents have been married 56 years and I come from a stable and fairly loving family. So when I hear someone say oh she must of got bipolar from being on drugs its NOT true! as my younger brother says I am a goody two shoes!, I am a trained teacher after all. I am not allowed a criminal record and I have never done drugs!. At school I was a total swot head!, I did really well for myself yet I felt very sad and isolated as I have had bipolar since I was 10 years old!. I was a child of the 1970's and 1980's I was a thatchers child. We had no mobile phones and no internet when I was a child and we had no awareness of disabilites!. There was no dyslexia, autism, bipolar, border line personality specialists and we were given a slap on the back and told to just get on with it! My nephew Oliver is very lucky, as today they call them cotton wall kids and they have all the help under the sun bless them. I hope my post has spread some awareness as I am NOT here to offend anyone either. Thankyou if you take the time to read this. Take care everyone on this site as we live in difficult times, god bless you all much love xxxx
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says the government parrot
You are sold lies, many other European countries are having the same problem with sickness. And they are saying the same argument this government is saying when it comes to young people.
All ignoring we have gone through a pandemic, with a virus that none understand and has been allowed to run through the population unchecked and people are getting continuously reinfected.
You have done no research you are just a parrot
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As a % of GDP, the UK government is spending the same amount on working-age benefits as it was in 2015. This stands at around 5% and is not projected to change by 2030. This is because we have seen deep cuts to benefits like Universal Credit alongside the increase in people claiming health and disability benefits.
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