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@Yanad I tend to agree with you, the idea that a letter from my husband should carry more weight than an unbiased professional is astounding even though he does know more about my daily circumstances. Mind you the assessment done by a nurse with no experience of my condition has also carried more weight than anything my doctor said, I agree that the doctor wasn't very specific with the answers on the form but why did they pay £40.20p for it if the decision maker wasn't going to use it as evidence in the decision.0
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debbiedo49 said:poppy123456 said:
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12 weeks since DWP received my Ar1 still no f2f apointment. I know I’m still getting my pip award but the wait is terrible just want assessment out of the way1
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Have you tried phoning the assessment company for your area (Capita or IAS)? They might be able to tell you why it is taking so long for them to do an assessment.1
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@susankay I agree the wait is horrible, like waiting for the axe to fall, however if you are still receiving your pip at the moment don't worry about how long it's taking. From my experience if the decision is wrong you will be looking at a very long fight with no money. If you are able try to put some aside between now and the eventual decision just in case.1
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I realise I didn't read your OP correctly. The DWP said the form was with the decision maker several weeks ago, and you haven't had a face to face assessment. So it looks like they might have done a paper based assessment and you are caught up in the general backlog with decision making. You could try calling the DWP again to see whether anything has changed. If they have done a paper based assessment there should be a report from that and you can ask for a copy.1
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Hi @susankay It was you I was hoping to contact. There was a difference of only 5 days between the DWP receiving our AR1 forms so I have been following this thread waiting for an update from you to give me a rough idea of the timescales. I am unsure of your location but I am in the Midlands and it is Capita doing the assessments.I hope you receive an award or an assessment date very soon. The not knowing what is happening with your claim is agonising. You feel like life is on hold and you cannot plan for the future. I completely understand your distress at not receiving any update. If I can help in anyway, please let me know, and please keep me updated via this post. I think it will genuinely help people searching for help with their renewal. Good luck1
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poppy123456 said:debbiedo49 said:poppy123456 said:1
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debbiedo49 said::
If you re-read my post a little more carefully you will see that I was identifying an area that could be used fraudulently. Much better to point this out than to ignore it. In fact I hope that someone tells the DWP of this possibility.
To suggest that a 'letter' written by the claimant but purporting to come from someone else (husband/wife etc) would be treated with more weight than a report from a GP/OT etc. is plainly wrong.
Help for me? Well as I have said before if someone wants to take on my PIP claim and deal with the appeal then they have my blessing, or maybe fill out a claim form for Attendance Allowance which seems a doubtful exercise and deal with submission of it.
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I thought you had already tried to claim AA and been turned down? And surely you are out of time with your PIP appeal? I expect the DWP are well aware of how fraudulent evidence could be manufactured. And if you go down that route, I hope they throw the book at you.0
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Yadnad said:debbiedo49 said::
If you re-read my post a little more carefully you will see that I was identifying an area that could be used fraudulently. Much better to point this out than to ignore it. In fact I hope that someone tells the DWP of this possibility.
To suggest that a 'letter' written by the claimant but purporting to come from someone else (husband/wife etc) would be treated with more weight than a report from a GP/OT etc. is plainly wrong.
Help for me? Well as I have said before if someone wants to take on my PIP claim and deal with the appeal then they have my blessing, or maybe fill out a claim form for Attendance Allowance which seems a doubtful exercise and deal with submission of it.
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Yadnad said:debbiedo49 said::
To suggest that a 'letter' written by the claimant but purporting to come from someone else (husband/wife etc) would be treated with more weight than a report from a GP/OT etc. is plainly wrong.
Who suggested that? What i said was that a letter from a partner stating how your conditions affect you against the PIP descriptors will carry more weight than a letter from a GP that knows absolutely nothing about how your conditions affect you.In fact a letter from your GP is one of the things on the list that they don't want to see. Including future appointment letters and information from the internet that explains a condition.0 -
Tardis said:I thought you had already tried to claim AA and been turned down? And surely you are out of time with your PIP appeal? I expect the DWP are well aware of how fraudulent evidence could be manufactured. And if you go down that route, I hope they throw the book at you.
Yes I am still in time - it's less than 13 months since the date of the MR decision.
No, I would never suggest or carry out any fraudulent act to gain a benefit payment. In fact I am the other way inclined that if I don't think I am entitled I won't make a claim unlike some that put in claims even without assessing their own entitlement first - claim they say, they can only say no.
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Well, how about appealing that PIP claim? There is a CAB in Canterbury, have you spoken to them?0
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poppy123456 said:Yadnad said:debbiedo49 said::Who suggested that? What i said was that a letter from a partner stating how your conditions affect you against the PIP descriptors will carry more weight than a letter from a GP that knows absolutely nothing about how your conditions affect you.In fact a letter from your GP is one of the things on the list that they don't want to see. Including future appointment letters and information from the internet that explains a condition.
For a start a partner is/could be biased and if there is an inkling that if he/she wrote a letter that would carry more weight than a medical report then the chances are that they will do so. The problem that the case manager must have is to judge how much truth is there in that impact statement?
Is it possible that it is a fabrication? possibly. Are there elements of exaggeration involved? Maybe.
Should the case manager just accept it at face value? I would hope not, I certainly wouldn't.
There are some that will do what they have to do to gain any advantage.
To openly suggest that such a letter is to be treated as good evidence is open to those that would want to use that system for other means.
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Tardis said:@yadnad; Surely the point (which you seem to be missing) is that this is a support forum. It doesn't come across as remotely supportive when you keep implying that all successful claimants are fraudulent.
But given what has been said about the value placed on a letter from a partner surely there is scope for it to be abused by some?
If I was so inclined and knew the value of a letter such as that, would I consider asking my wife to draft such a letter in such a way that it described the impact and addressed the correct descriptors in the hope that I might get a good PIP award even thought that half the contents were a complete exaggeration?
Surely and getting away from this 'dubious' evidence should more not be made of evidence from say an OT or physiotherapist? At least it will be independent and unlikely to be biased.
In fact the Department of Transport banned the use of GP letters of support to be used as prime evidence in applications for a Blue Badge for the same reason as they were deemed likely to be biased in favour of the applicant.
Much more effort has now been placed on independent reports assessing the impact directly. Should not the DWP be following that same route in asking the claimant to supply this type of evidence?
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