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Assessor lied

mick1963
mick1963 Member Posts: 17 Connected
After my wife had her first pip assessment we asked for a copy of the report 
Well I must say the lies he told were unbelievable 
My daughter was so shocked she phoned them up and complained and then sat down and wrote a letter including his assessment and and base to questions what was wrong with them 
Questions like can she sort her own finances out 
Considering she can't even recognise numbers and we have power of attorney 
But he put wife could sort her own finances out 
He even recommended that my wife has another review in 6mths 
It was arranged that another assessor would come out and today we received the report of second assessor 
It says at end of report 
BASED ON THE AVAILABLE EVIDENCE. I CONSIDER THAT THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO ARRANGE A REVIEW OF THIS CLAIM AS SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IS UNLIKELY 
She then goes on to say conditions are not going to improve only get worse 
Does this mean she doesn't think wife has to go for pip assessment again 
After what happened with first assessor and lies he told 
Think I'm a bit sceptical 


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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 28,435 Disability Gamechanger
    edited December 2018
    Hi,

    Somewhere in the report, most likely towards the back there's boxes with dots and ticks. You need to look at these and compare them against the PIP descriptors to see what points are recommended. Use the PIP self test to check this.

    She will of course have to wait for a decision to made.


  • mick1963
    mick1963 Member Posts: 17 Connected
    What is pip self test 
    Never heard of it 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 28,435 Disability Gamechanger
    mick1963 said:
    What is pip self test 
    Never heard of it 
    See the link above and look for the ticks/dots somewhere in the report.
  • mick1963
    mick1963 Member Posts: 17 Connected
    Just added them up score for daily living activities came to 38
    And mobility came to 24
  • wilko
    wilko Member Posts: 2,449 Disability Gamechanger
    Hello mick1963, going by your post your wife wil be awarded enhanced PIP for daily living and mobility, the decision maker nearly always goes with the acessment report so you just have to wait for the official award letter. Thank you for posting your exspearence of the PIP acessment.
  • mick1963
    mick1963 Member Posts: 17 Connected
    I didn't know about score until I was told on here 
    After adding up the score on 2nd assessors report which came to 38 for daily living and 24 for mobility 
    Today I got the assessors report out from first assessor  which we complained about as he had led on his report 
    The difference was shocking 
    He allowed my wife 8 points for daily living and 22 points for mobility 
    The difference in the daily living is shocking 
    How can a assessor be allowed to do this 
    It shows the difference 
    1st assessor 8 points 
    Review 6mths 
    2nd assessor 38 points and recommends no review at all 
    Although I know my wife would have got daily living now by score it's annoying that he lied and we still don't know why he wanted a review in 6mths when second assessor recommends no review 
    It just goes to show if we hadn't got his report and immediately complained about him 
    We would have lost money for her care and had unnecessarily review in 6mths again 
  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Connected
    Am I understanding this correctly. A complaint was lodged against the assessor for 'telling lies'  then they did another assessment because of the complaint which was dramatically different from the first and that resulted in the DWP changing their decision? And in all of this you did not apply for a MR or lodge an appeal?

    If that is what happened why are we told to always go for a MR and not a complaint?
  • cristobal
    cristobal Member Posts: 987 Disability Gamechanger
    I had a similar experience:-

    My first assessment was 8DL/ 4 Mobility.

    I complained about the inaccuracies - they didn't do another assessment but did a "clinical review" of the first one.

    Clinical review = 18DL/ 24mobility i.e an increase from 12 to 42!

    I didn't ask for MR but DWP are having another look at it.

  • mick1963
    mick1963 Member Posts: 17 Connected
    Yadnad said:
    Am I understanding this correctly. A complaint was lodged against the assessor for 'telling lies'  then they did another assessment because of the complaint which was dramatically different from the first and that resulted in the DWP changing their decision? And in all of this you did not apply for a MR or lodge an appeal?

    If that is what happened why are we told to always go for a MR and not a complaint?
    No we don't lodge a appeal 
    A decision hadn't been made by the decision maker 
    My daughter phoned up and wrote a letter stating each discrepancy that the assessor had got wrong 
    And said we would like another assessment 
    We had assessment on Monday got assessment report following Tuesday
    They recieved letter Wednesday from daughter 
    And they  phoned us Thursday to arrange another 
    assessment on the friday 
    It was all done very quickly 

  • mick1963
    mick1963 Member Posts: 17 Connected
    Don't know what a MR is 
  • mick1963
    mick1963 Member Posts: 17 Connected
    We received a copy of new assessors report this Wednesday 
    New Assessment was last Friday 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 28,435 Disability Gamechanger
    mick1963 said:
    Don't know what a MR is 
    Mandatory Reconsideration.
  • mick1963
    mick1963 Member Posts: 17 Connected
    mick1963 said:
    Don't know what a MR is 
    Mandatory Reconsideration.
    Still no wiser sorry 

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 28,435 Disability Gamechanger
    It's when you ask them to look at a decision again to reconsideration the original decision. https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/appeals/mandatory-reconsideration/

  • mick1963
    mick1963 Member Posts: 17 Connected
    It wasn't a mandatory reconsideration
    Because a decision had not been made to award wife pip 
    We just asked for another assessment 
    He contradicted himself so much on form you couldn't understand what he was on about 

    My wife is unable to stand with out support & she has
    Limited movement in upper body as well 


    But according to him in daily living
    wife could walk & use unaided to bathroom  and dress herself using aid 

    Then in mobility part he wrote unable to walk at all cannot stand without help from other person 
    Completely contradiction of what he wrote in daily living 
    Also wrote wife could manage her own finances
    considering I have power of attorney and wife could not recognise words or numbers or us sometimes
    due to damage on brain  
    Which is in specialist report that was sent to them 
    I really would have liked to know how he came up with conclusion he did 
    Oh another thing he wrote was my wife refused to let him do a examination 
    Considering she never spoke to him once while he was here and he stopped doing tests when he realised she  never responded to him as she couldn't understand what he was on about 
    Even though it's all been sorted I'm still annoyed at him because of the lies he wrote 
    So when people say the assessor lied I can honestly believe it 
    Because I had never read such rubbish from that assessor 
    Sorry still fuming 






  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Connected
    I am so surprised that this happened. We are constantly told to ignore the assessors report, wait for the decision letter and if the result is felt to be wrong go for a MR.
    As many know of my failures (3) to initially get any points I never thought that making a complaint would be useful. I have read that they tend to fob you off and despite the report the DWP will almost always go with it. Even the DWP blurb tells you to only deal with them.

    I have never complained believing that it would not be looked at seriously. Just goes to show what you can do if you get good advice or already have in-depth knowledge..
  • Tardis
    Tardis Member Posts: 214 Pioneering
    @mick1963; I am glad your daughter made that complaint, and that your wife's claim has been sorted out.  It sounds like you haven't had the decision letter yet, but from the report it sounds like it should be enhanced on both with an ongoing award.  Hopefully the letter will arrive soon and you can relax a little.
  • mick1963
    mick1963 Member Posts: 17 Connected
    I must admit the 2nd assessor who came out new more about my wife condition than I did 
    She also couldn't understand why my wife didn't have physiopherapists visiting her at home 
    I told her we didn't know that we could have that 
    Which she said yes you can 
    We now are sorting this 
    She not only concerned herself with wife but the stress wife's condition was having on whole family 
    And recommended we got in touch with social services for support for whole family 


  • Tardis
    Tardis Member Posts: 214 Pioneering
    edited December 2018
    Push for whatever support you need.  I found social services to be very useful in chasing up other services.  I think they quite like doing that as it doesn't impact their own budget much!
  • mick1963
    mick1963 Member Posts: 17 Connected
    I think the physio at home would be helpful 
    But don't want people interfering to much as we seem to be in a good routine 
    But I'll talk to them to see what support they can offer


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