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Supervision descriptor

RebeccaBatesRebeccaBates Member Posts: 16 Listener
Hi I just wondered about the awareness of danger/hazards descriptor and the fact that it says injury to self or others but doesn’t mention someone else causing you injury such as physical/sexual and or financial abuse. What they take this into account or not as the descriptor doesn’t specify it? 

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  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 11,201 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi there 

    The only thing I would say is pip is about how you are on a daily basis for the majority of the time 

    The incidents you mention would not happen on a daily basis 

    It is about you being aware of how your condition could put you in danger or others eg leaving cooker rings on.
  • RebeccaBatesRebeccaBates Member Posts: 16 Listener
    I meant the work capability assessment and not pip that’s why I put this comment in the Universal credit section 
  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 4,516 Disability Gamechanger
    @RebeccaBates hi and welcome to scope. I assume you are talking about a PIP application, it means injury to yourself or to others, if you are being physically/sexually or financially abused then you need to remove your self from that situation I don't mean if possible I mean immediately, can you do that?
    "Putting a child into care, isn't caring for a child" (T.Rhattigan)
  • RebeccaBatesRebeccaBates Member Posts: 16 Listener
    No I’m not I’m talking about UC work capability assessment benefit the descriptor which says reduced awareness of everyday hazards/danger 
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 11,201 Disability Gamechanger
    Sorry I didnt see that bit would still be the same it is unlikely in a work environment you would come across these risks 

    Not impossible but tbh it's not something I have ever come across anybody asking about for WCA 

    Hope other members can give their advice too 
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 11,201 Disability Gamechanger
    It's not an everyday occurrence in my view 
  • RebeccaBatesRebeccaBates Member Posts: 16 Listener
    It’s in the community as I have a reduced awareness of my own vulnerability so I’m at risk of the 3 types of abuse Whilst I’m in the community 
  • RebeccaBatesRebeccaBates Member Posts: 16 Listener
    The thing is when I’m out in the community I need someone there to keep me safe from abuse and I go out everyday 
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 11,201 Disability Gamechanger
    You are not subject to abuse every day 

    I have given my opinion of course it is up to you what you put down if you feel it is valid then put it down   just saying never heard anyone else ask this 

    Maybe get some advice from welfare rights 

    Good luck with your assessment 
  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 4,516 Disability Gamechanger
    Then it has little or no bearing on either PIP or WCA, but I'm baffled and concerned as to why you are at risk of abuse whilst in the community and if you are then you should be seeking help with your issues.
    "Putting a child into care, isn't caring for a child" (T.Rhattigan)
  • RebeccaBatesRebeccaBates Member Posts: 16 Listener
    Why has this got little or no bearing on WCA as one descriptor is solely on needing someone with you to stay safe. Also why are you concerned and baffled at why I’m at risk of abuse for in the community as I’m unaware of my own vulnerability so I need someone with me to stop the risk of that happening to me. 
  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 4,516 Disability Gamechanger
    Ok i'll try again, for my money this wouldn't be that relevant to WCA which is about your fitness to work, i'm concerned about you being at risk because that's the sort of person I am.
    "Putting a child into care, isn't caring for a child" (T.Rhattigan)
  • RebeccaBatesRebeccaBates Member Posts: 16 Listener
    Oh ok I thought that requiring supervision most of the time got you in the support group. So what qualifies for this descriptor and it sort of does as I can’t be in the community at all on my own and some jobs require community work such as a factory and support worker. 
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 11,201 Disability Gamechanger
    Needing support to go out is relevant but not for the reasons you are saying 

    Things like without support you could get lost , have panic attacks,  cant get on transport , cant cross the road , , cant interact, cant be in large groups and so on 
  • Tori_ScopeTori_Scope Posts: 5,039

    Scope community team

    Just to clarify @RebeccaBates: are you at risk of abuse from anyone specific, or is this a more general concern?
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  • RebeccaBatesRebeccaBates Member Posts: 16 Listener
    I thought the risk of being abused would be good enough as there is a risk that every time I go out I could get attacked so basically your saying they don’t care about the serious dangers that could cause serious injury 
  • RebeccaBatesRebeccaBates Member Posts: 16 Listener
    It’s a more general concern 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,628 Disability Gamechanger
    Social interactions are very clearly not included and never have been. 

  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 11,201 Disability Gamechanger
    I really think you need to get help filling in the form as mentioned before this is about your fitness to work not about the risk of abuse . You need to understand what the descriptors are looking at yo get the best chance of an award 

    I'm sorry but I dont think I can explain  it any other way so will hope other members can 

    I will leave it there and wish you luck 


  • RebeccaBatesRebeccaBates Member Posts: 16 Listener
    Oh ok thank you well they should be. What exactly is included then as Also I’m unable to be left in the house alone at all as I’m unable to keep myself safe as I don’t understand the dangers in the house would that put me in the support group 
  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 4,516 Disability Gamechanger
    I thought the risk of being abused would be good enough as there is a risk that every time I go out I could get attacked so basically your saying they don’t care about the serious dangers that could cause serious injury 
    It's a risk that everyone of us faces when we go out, but that's not a reason to be found unfit for work, sorry
    "Putting a child into care, isn't caring for a child" (T.Rhattigan)
  • RebeccaBatesRebeccaBates Member Posts: 16 Listener
    Ok thank you please could someone delete my post now as I don’t want it in the discussions 
  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 4,516 Disability Gamechanger
    But it might help somebody else.
    "Putting a child into care, isn't caring for a child" (T.Rhattigan)
  • RebeccaBatesRebeccaBates Member Posts: 16 Listener
    Oh ok what dangers are included in this descriptor as for example I am unable to be left in the flat alone as I’m unable to maintain own safety and I have a reduced awareness of danger in the house so would that be enough to put me in the support group 
  • RebeccaBatesRebeccaBates Member Posts: 16 Listener
    also what hazards and dangers count for in the community. I know that I have some but I want more to know what to put 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,628 Disability Gamechanger
    Please read the link. It’s not about the hazards.it’s about your awareness of them in general. 
  • RebeccaBatesRebeccaBates Member Posts: 16 Listener
    I did and I’m not aware of the hazards in the house or aware of stranger danger in the community so would that be enough to put me in the support group?
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 11,201 Disability Gamechanger
    You need to consider all the descriptors not just focus on this one 

    We cant say what group you will be put in or if any as we dont know all the details and you need to have an assessment and then a decision 
  • RebeccaBatesRebeccaBates Member Posts: 16 Listener
    Thank you for your help. It’s a difficult descriptor to get your head around especially with needing someone in the community. 
  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 8,002

    Scope community team

    edited March 19
    Hello @RebeccaBates. Have you been sent a UC50 to complete? You'll need to explain (or have someone explain for you, if they're filling it in) why you're unaware of hazards. Although from what you've said, you may be looking at the wrong descriptor if your focus is on social engagement and interactions. Have you read through any of the others, such as 6 and 7?
    You mentioned being unable to 'maintain own safety' in your flat. Do you have a care plan in place? This might help you more with the hazards descriptor.
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  • RebeccaBatesRebeccaBates Member Posts: 16 Listener
    edited March 19
    @Adrian_Scope Thank you yes I do have a care plan in place which says that I’m unable to be left in the flat and that I’m unaware of the dangers/risks. It also says about my reduced awareness of my own vulnerability and my risks because of it. Why do you think my focus is on social interactions and social engagement for as the only reason why I’m at risk in the community is my reduced awareness of my own vulnerability. I’m fine around people and I can engage with other people easily. 
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