Russia Invades Ukraine..........What should we, Europe/U.S./Rest of the world, do??????

Alex_Alumni

Thanks for sharing these screenshots from the daily express @lisathomas50 As a reminder to everyone in the thread, it's important to note that these newspaper articles are reports- not necessarily robust evidence, and may well be unsubstantiated claims. As stated in our house rules, members must always try to share reputable sources of information where possible.

poppy123456

@lisathomas50 i can't see how that is relevant to the air raid siren testing you mentioned. There isn't any in the UK and hasn't been since 1990's. It's also from the daily express so i'll say no more on that.

MarkM88

@lisathomas50 still no clarification on the sirens then? Those articles bear no relevance I’m afraid. 

vikingqueen

 Do Wales still have flood sirens? If they do maybe they are similar to what you could think an air raid one sounds like? I suppose they would have to be tested from time to time.

leeCal

Wether he’s dying or not it’s a tragedy that the mind of one man can wreak such havoc and destruction and by so doing lead to the deaths of so many innocent people, and not for the first time in Europe.

Somebody recently said that what we learn is that we don’t learn [from past mistakes].

Lisatho11987777

Yes we still have flood warnings and at our local counciol meeting elderly people won't understand or have technology  there are homeless people so our local counciol has agreed to use our flood warnings as a warning of nuclear war they were testing to see how far the sound reaches as may need to amplify the sound  

MarkM88

@lisathomas50 is there a source for that? 

Wibbles

leeCal said:

Wether he’s dying or not it’s a tragedy that the mind of one man can wreak such havoc and destruction and by so doing lead to the deaths of so many innocent people, and not for the first time in Europe.

Somebody recently said that what we learn is that we don’t learn [from past mistakes].

Unfortunately he's not dying 
He"s just a mad bully

MarkM88

Sources are important though.,it’s what ensures accurate information is been shared through the community. Asking for a source does not mount to been not friendly. 

poppy123456

Asking for a source doesn't mean someone isn't being friendly. It just means they're asking to see where that information has come from and rightly so.

When i give advice here on the community i will always try to give links where possible as proof the advice i've given is correct.

janer1967

I agree @woodbine feels like you can't comment anymore unless you provide a link or source

It is important to provide links in some cases when presenting facts but a lot of people come here to share and get others experience in the real world 

I have never provided a link in the 3 years I have been on this site (I don't know how to ) however I never will 

I share my experience and knowledge using my own life stories and my knowledge through work place situations and professional knowledge and qualifications 

The constant asking for links and sources is why I don't give much advice anymore and why I turned down the volunteer advisor role after going through the recruitment process and offered the role 

Having said all that I do agree opinion should not be presented as facts 

MarkM88

No one is saying that personal experiences and knowledge can’t be shared. 

The point is though, if your going to present something as fact when really it’s an opinion then your going to be challenged for sources of information.

In line with asking someone to respect the keep it friendly rule, if someone is going to ask you to follow this repeatedly then I expect them to also follow the rules about sources of information and this falls under the below aspect of the rules -

MarkM88

Keep it safe

Please be careful about sharing information.

Always check that information is correct and appropriate.

Do not present opinions as facts.

Share reputable sources of information.

chiarieds

I can see nothing that contravenes, '"be nice to fellow members." If a member can give a reputable source, which members can look into, then great. I think it's especially important with aiming to give accurate info on the war in Ukraine, as well as other issues.

On the other hand, I will take Jane's comments, with her expertise in HR, that she knows a thing or two about it, so no links necessarily needed.

Sometimes members make comments we're unsure about; in some situations that should rightly be questioned, & links asked for to back up their comments.

I hope we all agree that sometimes facts are needed, but of course a member may not read a link; doesn't wish to, etc. & the choice is theirs..

MarkM88

woodbine said:

MarkM88 said:

@lisathomas50 still no clarification on the sirens then? Those articles bear no relevance I’m afraid. 

It would appear that govt plans include sending a message to every mobile phone as a warning and heres a link:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nuclear-attack-warning-will-come-by-text-2p6wxdth2

That still has nothing to do with the original statement that was made. 

@woodbine I’m not sure you have the right to tell people to move on. 

Plus you seem to be missing the point again. Experience and personal knowledge is very different to full blown factual information. I’m asking for sources regarding claimed facts not opinions or personal experiences. 

Can people also bear in mind before they start preaching to others they consider the fact they need to follow the rules too before telling others they are not doing so. 

MarkM88

I might not get people to put sources but if they refuse and can’t back up their facts, they will continue to be reported and Scope will take the necessary actions. Your the one that said the other day we should respect the rules Scope have laid out and there’s you refusing to follow your own advice. 

You continue to bang on about “keep it friendly”. However, it seems you can’t follow your own advice, who was it not so long ago had a huge outburst on the community? Oh yeah, it was you. Hardly friendly was it? 

I don’t enjoy knitting, sorry. 

*too late to delete your post, I seen it, It wasn’t nice and above is my response. I’m fed up been ridiculed for wanting the rules to be enforced and have people basically tell me to go away. 

chiarieds

Sorry @woodbine - you loose me off. Jane's expertise has never been brought into question, tho understand newer members may not appreciate her knowledge. I don't need Jane to back up her knowledge, nor personal experience with links. however, where a member may question an opinion, I don't find that unreasonable either.
As Mark says, quoting from Scope's guidelines,

'Please be careful about sharing information.

Always check that information is correct and appropriate.

Do not present opinions as facts.

Share reputable sources of information.'

Sound advice IMHO.

janer1967

The point I was trying to get across is that asking for sources and links can in some cases put people off commenting if they look in general round the site they may think without having the links they don't want to contribute 

Also in my opinion  ,(not fact ) sometimes the manner and tone used when requesting the source comes across as demanding , blunt and challenging 

MarkM88

Yeah great, just go public with information that was not known to everyone, thanks! Reported! 

All I am saying is, you can’t go round telling people they are not following rules when you break them. 

Tori_Scope

Thread closed pending review.

Edit: thread reopened.