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  • sunshine1981
    sunshine1981 Online Community Member Posts: 231 Empowering

    Am I missing something?...new style esa support group is not means tested so you can have savings above £16000. I assume if your 50 and have a partner and you both have been working all your life you might have savings beyond this. One of you becomes so unwell you can no longer work, in the new proposals the support group would be abolished but you would be able to claim the new unemployment insurance for a limited time then it you can't work you loose it and you would be assessed for UC, which you can't get because you've worked hard and saved for your future. Then if you don't meet the criteria for PIP you get what?

    So you pay your NI all your life and get nothing for it. I must be missing something we can't be penalised for saving whilst we are working it doesn't make any sense. Can someone explain if I'm right or if I'm missing reading it

  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 852 Championing
    edited March 18

    I summarised below with my opinion as well. LCWRA has no changes on descriptors, so that reassessment if it happens will be the same as normal. But they are planning to remove the WCA, so in the longer term will be changes to who is eligible for what they now call the health payment (LCWRA). Details are in the post I made below.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 619 Trailblazing

    unfortunately for me I was diagnosed years ago with ME and fibromyalgia amongst other things. But I no longer have a specialist as there’s no treatment or cure. I’m just give muscle relaxers painkillers anti depressants among other strong medications. My pharmacist couldn’t believe what I take . But it’s all my GP can offer . Yet I’m constantly reviewed and usually need to fight . My conditions are lifelong so I don’t know why they keep assessing me

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 619 Trailblazing

    YouTube has a good video that breaks it down. Noah bear nyle .

  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 852 Championing

    For what its worth a friend of mine has told me there is a fair amount of opposition to the cuts, many people consider 6 billion by end of parliament as not a lot of money for the government, and recognise the harm this will cause. Things like triple lock on pensions and the bail out of thames water are costing far more money, so people are working out the nastiness behind this. People have also started talking about the proposed 2% 10million plus wealth tax that would raise 24 billion a year, its the gossip of an entire office today. Population is going to end up split on it.

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Online Community Member Posts: 203 Empowering

    New claimants 2026 does this mean people who are ill or disabled will be after that or before?

  • bennos79
    bennos79 Online Community Member Posts: 21 Connected

    Are we going to be reviewed asper our existing due dates for PIP, or do you think they will do them early? My review is in 10 years.

  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 1,789 Championing
  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 136 Empowering
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 619 Trailblazing

    I agree. It’s ok saying you need 4 point on one descriptor but the process is fraudulent. I now that’s a strong statement to make but it’s happened to me every time . And it’s not the dwp but Atos etc. either twist my words or ignore all evidence. First assessor zero points and I fought them for two years. Last assessor asked me have I studied my form that by this time was about two years old. I said no as I can tell the truth. She then asked me 2 point questions so I got highest but no 4 plus . Because I was happy with my award for care I didn’t appeal it but it’s something in future I’ll have to check and record myself

  • sunshine1981
    sunshine1981 Online Community Member Posts: 231 Empowering

    I sorry worried33. I still can't understand or see and answer to my question. Will new style ESA support group payment be taken away? And if you don't qualify for UC you get nothing else

  • Middleton
    Middleton Online Community Member Posts: 242 Empowering

    If you received a 10yr award, i very much doubt you'll be reviewed for a long long time

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 619 Trailblazing

    well said . I hope you get enhanced for both . You can wave hello to Kendall in your new car as she leaves parliament

  • A_Z1961
    A_Z1961 Online Community Member Posts: 56 Contributor

    Its a concerning time for everyone.

    I have only just started the WCA getting Fit Notes process. Hope to get my 2nd one on Thursday. I'm almost 64, worked most of my adult life and volunteered. I cannot retire until I'm 67 so another 3 years but I'm still being pushed as I am unemployed now. My health has got worse over the years and new conditions added including osteoarthritis and I've had two sudden silent angina attacks in the past two weeks (was in hospital yesterday, never had heart issues before). I'm also in hypertension crises.

    If the WCA assesment questions are going to be on a par with PIP but even harder I'm not sure I'll get very far. I live alone so I have to do everything myself no matter how it affects me . Then if I am awarded LRWCA I'll likely get a much lower rate.

    What an absolute crime against us all.

  • Mysteriouskitten
    Mysteriouskitten Online Community Member Posts: 26 Empowering

    Over on Benefits & Work. Bogus green paper consultation..

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/dwp-launches-entirely-bogus-green-paper-consultation#:~:text=The%20DWP%20has%20launched%20an,that%20matters%20most%20to%20claimants

  • bellatango
    bellatango Online Community Member Posts: 6 Listener

    Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but can anyone confirm the correct wording for my award (group) please as I'm never sure?

    I was originally on incapacity benefit since 2004 and was moved to ESA around 2013 I think and placed in the support group. From 2004 DLA and then pip and an ongoing award for pip given in 2019 and says "will be looked at 2029" enhanced for living and mobility. I remember something about a top up for esa, so can anyone tell from my rates exactly what mine is called, and dont think any of it is CB based?

    ESA £159.05 per week

    Basic - £90.50

    Support group - £47.70

    Premium? - £20.85

    pip - £184.30 per week

    enhanced living - £108.55

    enhanced mobility - £75.55

    I've not had my migration letter yet, but I dont understand for certain what all different acronyms are.

    Thank you.

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