The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

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  • kitsmum
    kitsmum Online Community Member Posts: 91 Empowering

    @secretsquirrel1

    I have fibromyalgia and me/cfs too and the assessors don't seem to understand it. I also have osteoarthritis, vertigo, ibs, hypermobility syndrome plus anxiety and depression. Even with all that it's currently impossible for me to get 4 points on pip according to them. It's currently out for review and I had an advocate fill it in so we will see what happens this time. What with being on ESA because I worked all my life which they want to abolish and having savings my benefits would go down to nothing but I am still unable to work. What exactly do they expect people to do. Classic thing I read online today was that only paralysed people deserve benefits everyone else are lazy shirkers and should be sent out to work on minimum wage!

  • Vulcress
    Vulcress Online Community Member Posts: 83 Empowering

    I truly believe this is the Libdem 2010 moment all over again.

    They went into the Election stating those with the broadest shoulder need to pay more

    because the Daily Mail and others printed non stop negative stories, Oh look the non dom tax and other taxes aimed at Rich people were watered down into the Inheritance tax.

    Now Starmer says these reforms are a moral duty, I say this as a long term labour supporter

    and former member until Miliband became leader I will NEVER vote for them again.

    This thread is very active but 100% last Summer after the GE a story emerged that PIP was going to be the gateway payment for UC and WCA would be axed, When these reforms and the non stop leaks started to cause panic for the spin doctors they suggested owing to "Global" events it forced this.

    No Global events would see them accept a brilliant deal from Macron that would see the UK on a 2nd tier with the EU that would drop red tape drop the bad situation of good being delayed owing to the divergence the Tories allowed, If the UK just aligned itself within a year

    GDP Growth would be around 2.2% for basically just doing nothing other than assured quality of goods and services like when we were in the EU. Brilliant 1st step and the added bonus of making Farage and Co Furious. This is why you cant take anything Starmer and Reeves says seriously.

    Like in 2010 they have made a political choice to YET again target disabled people, because since 1979 that's all its been target the sick and disabled keep messing around, 14 years of the NHS being underfunded after 11 years of Thatcher and they wonder why sections of society declined in health.

    I know I sound like a broken record and truly sorry, but for them to stand there and keep saying this is for the "good" of people on Benefits…they just allowed the same people to endure months of worry for papers to use the PIP voucher story to make ££££ for Clicks

    there was a whole stack of Stories they could have just said straight months ago these will not happen, but that would have robbed her of the dramatic raised voice of "NO PIP VOUCHERS"

    in the HOC today.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 619 Trailblazing

    I also get vertigo but thought it was due to my hearing loss . Is it another fibromyalgia symptom ? My last assessor had good knowledge and even read all my evidence including my medical notes but she down graded points to 2 per question

  • Jenwren
    Jenwren Online Community Member Posts: 81 Empowering

    I'm so, so sorry you're going through this, I really feel for you. One of my health conditions is ADHD and it just does a number on your mental health, the waiting lists are awful. I had to save up money and borrow some to go private to just get a diagnosis (I was a late adult diagnosis), I've given up on trying to get medication for it.

    I'm currently working on putting together a guide to help people with ADHD, from diagnosis to every day coping, including resources, links etc. There are some things that can help including on YouTube just to cope with daily life and mental health. They aren't fixes but do help. My mental health's been a wreak recently partially due to these annoucements (also other personal stuff). once I've done it - or done a rough version I'd be happy to post it to hopefully help people.

    Counselling helps me - CTB is a no-no for me. There are sites that offer discounted or sometimes free counselling (there's also the NHS Let's Talk but got a long wait list) - you could also get a trainee counsellor as they have to do a certain number of hours of counselling to qualify.

    There are specific channels for ADHD and there's also channels for Autism-ADHD as well that can be useful.

    I could give some tips/advice that help me if you're interested? No pressure though.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 619 Trailblazing

    I’m on legacy esa and waiting for my migration letter . I keep hearing of lcwra which I assume I’ll be on but what is the esa uc ? What is the difference?

  • sparrow77
    sparrow77 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Empowering

    https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper

    Scroll to bottom and click respond online to answer green paper questions .

    Havent done it myself yet but most definitely will be .

    I haven't scored 4 points in 1 set activity just 2's in each one and because of this I will not only lose my money I'll also lose my carer . I bet there are going to be thousands in the same position . Shame on labour !

  • Popster2020
    Popster2020 Online Community Member Posts: 32 Connected

    Can anyone answer whether old style contribution based ESA will remain or will this be migrated / merged?

    I'm in the support group and very worried by the announcements

  • Jenwren
    Jenwren Online Community Member Posts: 81 Empowering

    They are stupid. And cruel. And spiteful. I assume you mean you're on LCWRA for ESA/UC? I was on this alone for years until I was enouraged to try PIP and it's made a huge difference. The process is gruelling and not easy. I was lucky I got an assesor who treated me like a human being.

    Personally I would strongly enocurage you got put a claim in for PIP if you can manage - in theory you should defintely get at least the lower tier and possibly the higher one due to being in LCWRA. I would recommend getting someone to help you fill out the form (it's 50 pages) if you can and especially go on YouTube and watch some videos about it. There's a YouTuber Charlie Anderson who goes through the form page by page, she's blunt about what you need to put and more importantly how to say it to get PIP points - this is her job (she's on PIP too), she also does lots of work with tribunals etc.

    If you do decide to go for PIP and want some advice, feel free to contact me. It'd be awful it the govt suddenly had a massive influx of PIP claiments over this next year and were overrun…(half kidding)

  • Popster2020
    Popster2020 Online Community Member Posts: 32 Connected

    I have heard that eligibility for existing claimants will be done at award review. However, the announcement talked about more reviews. Which is it? I am lucky enough to have been awarded an ongoing / 10 year award. Will I be left alone until then or will the assessments be ramped up as mentioned today? Or does that apply to other benefits?? So confused and worried.

  • Jenwren
    Jenwren Online Community Member Posts: 81 Empowering
    edited March 18

    Bittersweet Symphony anyone? (sorry only Verve song I know!)

  • mangomungo
    mangomungo Online Community Member Posts: 175 Empowering

    Thank you for replying and thank you very much for your advice. One of the reasons I applied for pip was so I could afford a private diagnosis and medication etc as it would have improved my life substantially but financially at the moment it’s just not a possibility. Hoping the MR will go through but I doubt it will if I’m honest. And I did have some private counselling with a psychotherapist which was helpful but at £60 an hour (my dad paid) it wasn’t sustainable in the long term.
    im sorry your mental health has been poor aswell these lot in government will never understand just how bad it really can be but the guide you’re producing sounds really good! If you do post it on here I’ll look forward to reading it :)

  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 1,796 Championing

    Same for me.

    I get reassessed for pip next year with four years until state retirement age.

    I currently don't have a score of 4 in daily living and if I fail to get it next year I'm screwed having worked most of my adult life.

  • Vulcress
    Vulcress Online Community Member Posts: 83 Empowering

    Kendall spun it like the reviews have been halted owing to Covid.

    but the backlog is massive, Again reeves decided she wanted to speed up the migration from ESA to UC before the 2027 date and errors are being made and this is taking up more time.

    the issue with my brother and how HB is worked out the helpline told him they are currently on 20k issues a week and as a result they have put an extension of 6 weeks onto his ESA/UC migration.

    In all honesty how other green papers have proceeded, the bits they can restart outside these new plans that will require a change in the law 2026, but changing the points I believe even they said it would be 2028-2029. For Context the Tories wanted everyone off ESA on UC well over 8 years ago and still the migration is happening.

  • snuggles65
    snuggles65 Online Community Member Posts: 74 Contributor
  • snuggles65
    snuggles65 Online Community Member Posts: 74 Contributor

    As long as you have scored 4 points in one of the activities you will be fine you have to score 8 standard 12 enhanced

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 619 Trailblazing

    if the esa legacy to lcwra migration doesn’t finish until 2027 what does that mean for TP if lcwra new claim is less from next April ? This is all so confusing to me . Now I’m hearing if esa on uc . I thought it was lcwra on uc

  • spenny1993
    spenny1993 Online Community Member Posts: 27 Listener

    Can someone explain to me as still have a 5 to 6 years reward still do we have to be reassed or as we still have rewards for it I just don’t understand it

  • JulieTuesday
    JulieTuesday Online Community Member Posts: 58 Contributor

    Don't worry too much, I am similar and could not travel for an assessment as am agrophobic, so they sent someone to my home to assess me. It took about an hour but soon passed and the person was able to see my aids I use to get about, walking frame etc. She seemed to quiz me but I also had someone with me during the interview. Try not to worry, I lost a lot of weight in the run up to the assessment!.

  • Vulcress
    Vulcress Online Community Member Posts: 83 Empowering

    When they cut the WFP they kept telling people apply for PC,

    So much has happened but I believe from another website the people who applied for Pension Credit actually made the WFP cut a waste of time.

    this is exactly why they are cruel, They have a donor who runs an Energy firm

    GB Energy could become a provider and offer a social tariff this plan alone would make the case of the WFP not needed anymore because like we are seeing with ASDA dropping prices the other companies are now following, The lack of creative ideas and actually helping as many people as possible is staggering even for Starmer.

    the guy stood for the leadership saying UC was disgusting and it would be axed,

    He would have been voted out 1st round had he announced plans like this

    Reid on GMB has been the only one hammering them over this, and Glad she came out and told them this is not Labour they are not Labour.

    I am no expert but when top economists tell Reeves the lower 50% (all of us)

    fuel growth as nearly all the money goes to buy goods and services just how detached from reality must someone be not to see you take money off people who put it back into the economy growth goes out the window.

  • carbow32
    carbow32 Online Community Member Posts: 252 Empowering
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