The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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Hi Ray, I'm not a benefit specialist but if you have access to your medical records online, try to download and print out anything to support you. I thought I was exactly in the same position as you today, but I looked at old paperwork, and found my review put me on the points in two categories. I used to ramble on my claim form, this time for a review claim I bombarded them with doctors / consultant notes. That makes a massive difference from my experience.
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Hi all what will this mean for me i currently get high daily living and get lwrca extre money part i also work part time 17.5 iv tried working more hours in the past I can't mentally do it im so worried what will happen to mt money I also haven't had assessment since 2019 for lwrca
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As per I said to other, I was same until recent review, although my issues are longstanding and nothing particular to shift. On this review, I downloaded lots of medical notes from systm online ie my medical notes, enough to show a long term complaint of same issues. It may be worth calling PIP and asking their advice if you think there's more information you can provide.
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Does this proposed 'pip 4 point rule' have to go through legislation and the commons and Lords etc ?
Do you all think there will be legal pushback on this ?
Because imo its extremely discriminatory...I'm hoping this goes through the courts tbh.
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I’ve practically stopped eating and sleeping. Just obsessing over the cut backs . All I can work out is anyone that doesn’t get that 4 Points is in trouble . And the assessors are going to be gate keepers of the 4? Points , makes me think does Kendall know that hence recording assessments. I must admit I feel better right now but I’m sure I should.
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Someone now saying that the green paper states that if your in the new style ESA support group before 2026 and your reassessment stays the same then you will continue to receive that benefit, the new unemployment insurance is for new claims after 2026. Can anyone confirm
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I read some DWP paper they put out straight away, for a start it's not happening overnight. Also, they talking about support for those affected including some sort of transition. I know it's easy to say, but try get some sleep and allow our advocates work out what's what. xx
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I sent my hubby's in January spoke to them today and they said all reviews are on hold because the amount of new claims. She said 4 weeks to his end date you will receive a letter extending his award for 12 maths.
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Same here secretsquirel1....all I've seen today from kendall and Co is them basically 'pulling the rug ' from underneath the majority of the sick and vulnerable.
I've also had chest pain tonight....no doubt brought on by the stress of this nonsense.
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Forgive me for being a bit dim, but I don't understand the thing about LCWRA being frozen at £97. Does that mean that the payments will be stopped, or cut? I haven't been sleeping well and my concentration is effed up.
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I am wondering the same .As it is just cruel.
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I hope this is right. I’ve been unable to cope all day, I’ve just woken up from a pretty sad and disorienting sleep. They cannot just take ESA from us in the support group, it’s just unacceptable to expect us to work when we have been found not well enough to. No jobs can accommodate many people’s illnesses.
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There's a one good news for existing LCWRA claimants:
We will guarantee that no-one who has been found LCWRA prior to April 2026 and remains LCWRA following reassessment will see their UC health element entitlement changed
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@secretsquirrel1 I have had vertigo for about 20 years and it was manageable. Light-headedness and dizziness are symptoms of ME/CFS. My vertigo is now worse. Me and Fibro seem to intensify the conditions I already had unfortunately. If the vertigo is new I'd get it checked with the GP. I have been told to get every new symptom checked out and not assume it's yet another symptom of me or fibro.
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I’m sure some parts will be fought especially the 4 point rule . But I feel better right now than I did . Most ppl seem to think it’s al disastrous so I’m thinking am I missing something as apart from the 4 point rule it seems okish so far . But once my brain fog clears I may think differently
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Thank you 🙏. I haven’t heard much about work though . Are we all going to be forced to work or engage in training? I literally couldn’t so would I be sanctioned? They can’t surely not have a sickness benefit for ppl who can’t work
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I agree Patrick...but guess who has a lcwra/esavr2eview due in may 2026 ?....me.
My next pip review is also due November 2026. Yeah...Just my flipping luck.
As long as I have fair assessments then i should be fine.. and hopefully put in the group not to be reassessed....but years ago, I've been on the receiving end of an assessor who lied....which is why I welcome the fact they are going to record assessments.
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In part of the green paper:
In addition to entrenching early intervention, our ambition is also a system that keeps in touch with everyone on the health element of UC, so no-one is left out or abandoned. In return, people will be expected, as a minimum, to participate in periodic conversations about work and support (with exceptions where this would not be appropriate).
So basically unless they class you as severely disabled and therefore never going to be able to work, then yes it looks like they will expect more from us, but we don't know exactly what that will be at this stage.
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I'm giving up, I'm still not getting my question answered. It seems like nearly everyone is getting LCWRA as no one seems to know or want to know about the ESA support group changes. I'm too tired
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Very true, I was just on ESA for years because I thought I wasn't allowed PIP as well until a health professional told me to claim in about 2023. I've noticed even liberal media is terrible at reporting the truth about PIP claims, and especially how much goes unclaimed.
I saved the govt a ton of money being my mum's free live-in carer instead of getting her carers when her dementia got bad as again it didn't occur to me to apply to get carers for her. It made my own health a lot worse.
I enourage everyone who just has UC/ESA to apply for PIP. There's a youtuber Charlie Anderson who walks you through the process of what to say, and how to say it to get your points and she's good.
Flood the system!
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