The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

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  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 341 Pioneering
    edited March 21

    The government is “consulting on delaying access to the health element of Universal Credit until someone is aged 22 and reinvesting savings into work support and training opportunities through the Youth Guarantee.”

    I do not see it as ethically correct to deny or delay access to financial support. What happens to a child transitioning into adulthood with a long-term disability? Do they starve until they turn 22? I truly fail to understand what the government is trying to save here.

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 341 Pioneering
    edited March 21

     Nice one @Summerlove

    In the 5 minutes I watched the video and read the comments, the key theme from this great presentation is that “EVEN LOYAL LABOUR MEMBERS HAVE SAID THAT THEY WOULD NEVER EVER VOTE FOR LABOUR AGAIN.”

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 341 Pioneering

    thanks @Summerlove useful videos to promote wider awareness. I am a novice in terms of political debates, so very helpful 👍

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 127 Empowering

    It’s very badly written in the green paper, so we are unsure.

    There’s a possibility that anyone with ESA contribution based, if that proposal goes ahead, will lose their entitlement eventually. As well as any NI contributions for their future pension.

    So if you are on ESA contributions based I would reply to their green paper pointing that out.

  • Maggie37
    Maggie37 Online Community Member Posts: 66 Empowering

    What about a 20 year old mother who has just given birth and has post partum psychoses.. or a young person who has been severely injured in an industrial accident.. the list goes on and on. How can they withdraw disability. Who even suggested that crock in the first place?

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 127 Empowering

    the NI contributions you have earned through the years whilst in CBESA can’t be touched.

    The moment CBESA stops your NI contributions towards your pension will stop and you will have to pay those contributions through either work or your own pocket

    That’s my understanding

  • Dawn6065
    Dawn6065 Online Community Member Posts: 1 Listener

    I think it's likely there will be some conditions that will automatically qualify e.g 'progressive' and 'terminal'.

    Having several health issues myself, I have found (through being on targeted FB support Groups) that not everyone with 'a specific condition' suffers in the same way. If someone is suffering with just the one condition, they're still suffering but, maybe not as much as someone else who has additional conditions - that aggravate or have a knock on effect.

    I'd like to think that they will now look more at the 'overall" impact of how people's ability is affected by their condition(s). But.....in order to do this 'competently' the DWP Assessors need to be more medically qualified (a lot are not) and have a better knowledge of the criteria: Musculoskeletal, Cardiology, Neurological, Vestibular(hardly ever mentioned but also extremely debilitating) etc.

    In my case I have 3 Vestibular issues. This impacts on my ability to function 'normally' on a day to day basis. I also have Musculoskeletal issues which, without the Vestibular issues, I could probably function/cope much easier.

    I can only 'hope' that a better understanding is implemented for future claimants.

    We can only wait to find out more - and take each day as it comes. Personally, I find worrying about is makes my conditions far worse, so I definitely practice mindful thinking. Not easy, but at the end of the day I have to focus on keeping myself as stable as possible (both mentally and physically) so as not to end up on a gurney in a hospital corridor😫🤮

    That said: I have managed to submit

    my 'health story' to my MP in the hope it will 'trigger' some element of 'understanding' but heard nothing back 🤔.....

    I wish you all the very best going forward.

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 190 Empowering

    I wrote to my MP (newly elected Labour) on Tuesday asking how he intended to vote. I have not even received an acknowledgement. They are sh***ing themselves I think. If/when I do receive a response, I will be posting it on every local FB page I can find, so that people know whether he supports the plan or not. That way he will be held accountable by constituents.

  • CandyK85
    CandyK85 Online Community Member Posts: 12 Contributor

    Unfortunately, the UK has a serious shortage of doctors right now. I don't see how they could do this.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,761 Championing

    Maybe they been indated with requests we should all do to dwp ask for sars information hold them back more

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,761 Championing

    Its to dampen the outrage don't believe a word they say no offence to you thankyou for sharing

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,761 Championing

    We fell for it whipped into a frenzy seems all planned I didn't vote for them but have done years before starmer is dangerous

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,761 Championing

    Thankyou have you people to talk to any support pls pls this is a shock to our systems amd the way they done this is very inhumane like you said let's see how it all pans outs and prey and hope for the best even if the government doesn't value us you are important we all are day by day

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,761 Championing

    Do you need 4 points on you pip now does that help ?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,761 Championing

    Funny how everything leads up to 2030 you will have noting and be happy

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,761 Championing

    Could you possible send link for consultation I'm clueless I did write one but want to write more

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 619 Trailblazing

    I agree . I have several conditions ME and Fibromyalgia which both set off each other . Fibromyalgia pain eases with an exercise ( walking a bit around the house example) but that the makes the fatigue from ME worse. That then sets off migraines, stomach problems flu like symptoms. This all leads to pains from cervical spondylitis and sciatica among the other usual pain that is constant. The only treatments are painkillers and muscle relaxers. They in turn can trigger another condition I have now been diagnosed with. I even have a GP letter from years ago stating my prognosis is not good yet I’m assessed every few years and scored zero points with evidence of that letter. Surely I should be now classed under their lifelong condition rule as there’s no cure for fibromyalgia or ME . I’ve had ME over 35 years , diagnosed over 15 years ago so I can’t see it going magically by itself. Sorry for long rant 😩😀

  • Santosha12
    Santosha12 Online Community Member Posts: 710 Empowering

    @Dawn6065 Hi I completely relate to what you've said. All of the Assessor roles are 'qualified' (is my understanding) such as nurses, physios, paramedics) however, if you look at the roles advertised, I've only ever seen 1 years experience needed post qualification so most have probably not got a clue. Speaking as a former nurse of 12 years who did have a clue due to wide ranging experience, I don't know how many people have had an extremely poor experience due to inaccuracies and outright untruths documented by Assessors).

    Lesson for me is record assessments and I will be definitely reporting to their Regulatory Body any Assessor who lies in future. I went to Tribunal and was awarded but I should have reported her.

    I've sent c 20 letters not heard back from any of them.

    Wishing you all the very best too, take care 🫂

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