The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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Thankyou have you people to talk to any support pls pls this is a shock to our systems amd the way they done this is very inhumane like you said let's see how it all pans outs and prey and hope for the best even if the government doesn't value us you are important we all are day by day
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Do you need 4 points on you pip now does that help ?
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Yh dyslexic don't worry
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Funny how everything leads up to 2030 you will have noting and be happy
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Could you possible send link for consultation I'm clueless I did write one but want to write more
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I agree . I have several conditions ME and Fibromyalgia which both set off each other . Fibromyalgia pain eases with an exercise ( walking a bit around the house example) but that the makes the fatigue from ME worse. That then sets off migraines, stomach problems flu like symptoms. This all leads to pains from cervical spondylitis and sciatica among the other usual pain that is constant. The only treatments are painkillers and muscle relaxers. They in turn can trigger another condition I have now been diagnosed with. I even have a GP letter from years ago stating my prognosis is not good yet I’m assessed every few years and scored zero points with evidence of that letter. Surely I should be now classed under their lifelong condition rule as there’s no cure for fibromyalgia or ME . I’ve had ME over 35 years , diagnosed over 15 years ago so I can’t see it going magically by itself. Sorry for long rant 😩😀
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@Dawn6065 Hi I completely relate to what you've said. All of the Assessor roles are 'qualified' (is my understanding) such as nurses, physios, paramedics) however, if you look at the roles advertised, I've only ever seen 1 years experience needed post qualification so most have probably not got a clue. Speaking as a former nurse of 12 years who did have a clue due to wide ranging experience, I don't know how many people have had an extremely poor experience due to inaccuracies and outright untruths documented by Assessors).
Lesson for me is record assessments and I will be definitely reporting to their Regulatory Body any Assessor who lies in future. I went to Tribunal and was awarded but I should have reported her.
I've sent c 20 letters not heard back from any of them.
Wishing you all the very best too, take care 🫂
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Hi @Catherine21.
I've made a post with all the ways in which you can respond to the consultation here: Responding to the Government's Green Paper
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54.Alongside levelling up the rate, this change would end the indefinite entitlement to contributory ESA for those assessed as having limited capability for work-related activity (for new people claiming). Those unemployed after the time-limited period would be able to claim UC, depending on their personal circumstances. We believe this reform would align with the removal of the WCA, by offering a route to financial support for those with temporary and short-term health conditions, including for those who may not be entitled to PIP and therefore not entitled to the health element of UC.
The above implies for new claims?
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Hi has there been a breakdown of the proposed changes anywhere as I heard there was going to be one after scope worked everything out @Albus_Scope please. Possible scenarios, dates etc. Thanks
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If my next review is not until 2032 will I be ok before then ? Even though I don't have the 4 points. The mirror said that those who don't qualify will be given something but unsure what . My health will get worse over time can anyone help with this question please
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@Albus_Scope isn't around today, but Scope have posted this webpage: Changes to disability benefits: what you need to know
With key information under the "What changes are the Government proposing to make?" section.
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54.Alongside levelling up the rate, this change would end the indefinite entitlement to contributory ESA for those assessed as having limited capability for work-related activity (for new people claiming). Those unemployed after the time-limited period would be able to claim UC, depending on their personal circumstances. We believe this reform would align with the removal of the WCA, by offering a route to financial support for those with temporary and short-term health conditions, including for those who may not be entitled to PIP and therefore not entitled to the health element of UC.
The above implies for new claims?
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54.Alongside levelling up the rate, this change would end the indefinite entitlement to contributory ESA for those assessed as having limited capability for work-related activity (for new people claiming). Those unemployed after the time-limited period would be able to claim UC, depending on their personal circumstances. We believe this reform would align with the removal of the WCA, by offering a route to financial support for those with temporary and short-term health conditions, including for those who may not be entitled to PIP and therefore not entitled to the health element of UC.
The above implies for new claims?
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it seems to imply that, but why would they scrap the work capability assessment then?
no reference to what is going to happen to those currently on ESA once that’s scrappedAnd for this government implies is not good enough, and even if it’s only for new claimants, that’s absolutely unfair!
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Morning @Catherine21
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morning Catherine,
You’ve asked the question I’ve asked many times . Who actually gets the 10 years light touch . I have conditions that are lifelong with no cure plus highest for both but still constant reassessments. I’d love to know how they allocate them either now or future x
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I've also found this, which implies that it's only NS ESA that's affected. Like you say, no mention of what would happen once WCA is scrapped. Perhaps current and then future PIP entitlement would be used to determine ongoing eligibility for old style CB ESA?
Introducing a new Unemployment Insurance by reforming contributory benefits
149. We are consulting on creating a new Unemployment Insurance for those that have made National Insurance contributions. This would mean people receive the income they need alongside the right employment support to get back into work. The welfare system was founded upon the contributory principle – the idea of ‘something-for-something’. Contributory benefits are a form of non-means tested support for those who experience unemployment. Currently, New Style Employment and Support Allowance (NS ESA) and New Style Jobseeker’s Allowance (NS JSA) provide support for those who have recently become unemployed. To qualify for these benefits, 2 to 3 years’ worth of National Insurance credits must have been paid or credited prior to the date of a person’s claim. NS ESA supports individuals whose ability to work is restricted due to a disability or health condition. NS ESA relies on the WCA to determine eligibility. After the WCA, NS ESA places people in either a work-related activity group or a support group, which determines how much work preparation activity they are required to do and how long they are able to access the benefit. NS JSA also supports unemployed individuals, or those working on average less than 16 hours a week, but it does not have a health-related requirement. People receiving NS JSA are expected to be actively searching for work and are able to access the benefit for up to 6 months.
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Hi you are right. People who claim carers allowance to help care for people who claim pip will also lose their carers allowance on the 4 point rule. The government know this so they are also cutting carers allowance in a cruel sneaky way.
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we need clarification I think
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