The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    What do you suggest it's working mps talking about the fear will feel in parliament how many emails thier reciving

  • sparrow77
    sparrow77 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Empowering

    Don't know if this has been posted on here

    https://dpac.uk.net/2025/03/welfarenotwarfare-list-of-local-actions/

    List of local places taking action on 26th against the cuts .

  • michael57
    michael57 Online Community Member Posts: 1,296 Championing

    they could well be talking about all of you the same way your all talking about them only difference is there on a tad more money than you

  • keira
    keira Online Community Member Posts: 169 Empowering

    From Rightsnet

    18 March 2025, 04:39 pm#10

    Sam H
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    I hope to write up proper thoughts at another time, but aside from all the other horribleness with this, what particularly stood out to me was that the “4 points in one activity to qualify for PIP” requirement will be implemented by primary legislation. There is no particular need for this as presently all provisions to do with scoring, etc, are addressed under the regulations and I see no reason why this change could not be implemented through changing the regs. The SSWP’s power to do so is quite clearly stated in s. 80 WRA 2012.

    Unless, of course, if the Government thought that this change would be incompatible with the Equality and/or Human Rights Acts, therefore requiring the change to be made by an Act of Parliament to prevent it being struck down by the courts.

    In the same vein, the changes to PIP and the WCA are notably not part of the consultation. With regard to those changes, they are only interested in hearing how people who will lose PIP (read: all financial support under the new rules) can best be supported when this happens (but somewhat confusingly the green paper states earlier that TP may be on the table for current claimants).

    https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/21015/

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 390 Pioneering

    @alexroda

    This is the sad reality of politics……it’s all about numbers, not individual experiences. Why should MPs only be persuaded to act when they receive thousands of emails from disabled constituents? A true MP should be willing to act even if just one disabled person reaches out, because every life affected by these policies matters.

  • Bigboblee50
    Bigboblee50 Online Community Member Posts: 32 Connected

    Unfair? It's criminal as to remove millions off LCWRA because computer says Guess what? Your healed not disabled any more is a massive lie

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering

    indeed, but I’m afraid there’s little morality left in society and less so around privileged circles.🤑

  • keira
    keira Online Community Member Posts: 169 Empowering

     PIP change to be pushed through primary legislation, despite there being no procedural or practical necessity. Is this to bypass Equality Act/HRA?

  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 1,830 Championing
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 620 Trailblazing

    I watched dynamic duo on YouTube, he used to work at the dwp . He said he doesn’t think these reforms will go through . That in his opinion they’re not legal .

    I read earlier that councils are now worried as they’ll be expected to take the strain of care once ppl start losing carers allowance. Imagine if it is over a million ppl losing out , that will surely lead to cut backs at councils if not bankruptcy. They haven’t thought this through. Once you add up more tribunal staff for appeals , NHS , council carers . It’ll cost them more than they save .

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 390 Pioneering

    Oh yeah… don’t even get me started on the morality debate! 🙄🙄

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 109 Empowering

    It's madness that all of a sudden we lose our LCWRA. Due to this cruelty, I haven't been sleeping or eating properly since last Tuesday when they published their evil changes. Neither am I able to take this off my mind for ten minutes.

  • Vulcress
    Vulcress Online Community Member Posts: 83 Empowering

    Felt this for years,

    You can have MP's with the highest education but actual common sense is totally lacking

    Take Torsten Bell for ages chair of a group on poverty, Make him a minister and its like a totally different person.

    I notice UNITE and other Unions are posting about this policy, I only use Bluesky now

    So I questioned them its okay saying this is disgusting etc etc but are they going to stop the money to labour?

    Because right now all we hear some Cabinet Ministers deeply unhappy. MP's deeply unhappy

    force the issue right now, Resign from Cabinet Resign the Whip.

  • ancojo
    ancojo Online Community Member Posts: 30 Contributor

    Why are there no point based systems for these consultation? What I mean is, its ok filling out the form saying you dont agree with this or that for whatever reasons but there should also be a points voting system such as:

    1 agree
    2 slight agree
    3 undecided
    4 slightly disagree
    5 disagree!

    The reason I think this is because I cannot see anyone actually reading through thousands up thousands of responses as this would take ages so a point scoring system would show the either discontent or not with what ever they want to do. Plus if they have loads of different people reading the responses how exactly is it recorded what the majority of opinions are?

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 109 Empowering

    Primary legislation cannot be challenged in the UK courts due to parliamentary sovereignty, which protects Acts of Parliament from judicial review. But courts can declare a primary legislation incompatible with human rights.

    Keep informing others and fighting.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 109 Empowering

    Even if they don't read them, they would at least know that their inboxes are flooded by unhappy constituents.

  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 1,830 Championing

    No because I only watched it on GBN where representatives from both charities were guests and expressed their disgust at these proposals.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 109 Empowering

    The damn Tories were even better, as t least they were not reassessing people on LCWRA and leaving them in peace.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 620 Trailblazing

    just read the headline of The Telegraph ( don’t have subscription). It basically said The equality commission is looking into the cuts to see if they’re breaking equality laws.

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