The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

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  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 3,214 Championing
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I watched dynamic duo on YouTube, he used to work at the dwp . He said he doesn’t think these reforms will go through . That in his opinion they’re not legal .

    I read earlier that councils are now worried as they’ll be expected to take the strain of care once ppl start losing carers allowance. Imagine if it is over a million ppl losing out , that will surely lead to cut backs at councils if not bankruptcy. They haven’t thought this through. Once you add up more tribunal staff for appeals , NHS , council carers . It’ll cost them more than they save .

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 706 Championing

    Oh yeah… don’t even get me started on the morality debate! 🙄🙄

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  • Vulcress
    Vulcress Online Community Member Posts: 111 Empowering

    Felt this for years,

    You can have MP's with the highest education but actual common sense is totally lacking

    Take Torsten Bell for ages chair of a group on poverty, Make him a minister and its like a totally different person.

    I notice UNITE and other Unions are posting about this policy, I only use Bluesky now

    So I questioned them its okay saying this is disgusting etc etc but are they going to stop the money to labour?

    Because right now all we hear some Cabinet Ministers deeply unhappy. MP's deeply unhappy

    force the issue right now, Resign from Cabinet Resign the Whip.

  • ancojo
    ancojo Online Community Member Posts: 41 Empowering

    Why are there no point based systems for these consultation? What I mean is, its ok filling out the form saying you dont agree with this or that for whatever reasons but there should also be a points voting system such as:

    1 agree
    2 slight agree
    3 undecided
    4 slightly disagree
    5 disagree!

    The reason I think this is because I cannot see anyone actually reading through thousands up thousands of responses as this would take ages so a point scoring system would show the either discontent or not with what ever they want to do. Plus if they have loads of different people reading the responses how exactly is it recorded what the majority of opinions are?

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  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 3,214 Championing

    No because I only watched it on GBN where representatives from both charities were guests and expressed their disgust at these proposals.

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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    just read the headline of The Telegraph ( don’t have subscription). It basically said The equality commission is looking into the cuts to see if they’re breaking equality laws.

  • Mysteriouskitten
    Mysteriouskitten Online Community Member Posts: 40 Empowering

    independence payments Credit: House of CommonsEthan CroftSunday Political Correspondent22 March 2025 6:00pm GMT

    Labour’s proposed benefit cuts will be investigated by a human rights watchdog for potentially breaking equality law.

    The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) has said it is considering whether the plans set out by Liz Kendall to cut disability benefits comply with the Equality Act.

    A spokesman for the EHRC said: “The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) must consider the equality impact of the proposed benefit reforms on disabled people.

    “The public sector equality duty (PSED) requires government departments to have due regard for how their policies and decisions affect people with protected characteristics.”

    The Work and Pensions Secretary’s proposals include cuts to disability benefits and a higher age cap for claimants.

    Ms Kendall announced on Tuesday that the eligibility age for the health and disability component of universal credit would rise from 18 to 22.

    The age of eligibility for personal independence payments (PIP) may also rise from 16 to 18.

    She also announced the Government could cut universal credit disability benefits almost in half from April 2026, which she aims to balance with a rise in the standard allowance element of universal credit.

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    Ms Kendall has delayed publishing equality impact assessments of the policies, which are required by law, until after the Chancellor’s fiscal statement on Wednesday.

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    The assessments are expected to show that over 2 million people will be affected by the cuts. They will also give an estimate of how many will be pushed into poverty by Ms Kendall’s reforms.

    An EHRC spokesman said the watchdog is considering the green paper, including “its wider implications for people with protected characteristics”.

    The watchdog has previously criticised the Government for delaying equality impact assessments for political convenience.

    Last year Chancellor Rachel Reeves was accused of “breaking rules” by refusing to release an impact assessment of the cuts to winter fuel allowance.

    The assessment, later disclosed under Freedom of Information laws, showed seven in 10 disabled pensioners would lose the allowance.

    Ms Reeves was later reprimanded by the watchdog for providing an “insufficient” impact assessment of National Insurance changes which disproportionately hit women workers.

    The release of the welfare reform impact assessments could spell trouble for Ms Kendall’s reforms.

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    She has already faced a wave of discontent about the cuts from Labour party colleagues, including senior Cabinet ministers.

    Any potential watering down of the cuts as a result of the impact assessments will now come after the Chancellor’s fiscal statement on Wednesday.

    This means that the promised £5 billion of cuts to welfare should be factored into the Office for Budget Responsibility’s (OBR) forecast of the country’s economic performance.

    On Wednesday the Chancellor will respond to the OBR’s latest forecast.

    Ms Reeves is preparing to make swinging public spending cuts in order to save her economic project amid expectations of the country’s economic growth falling by half.

    The projected cuts to benefits are expected to form one part of this wider effort to balance the books.

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    The EHRC is currently undertaking a wider investigation of the DWP’s practices after concerns were raised about its compliance with equality law under the last government.

    An EHRC spokesperson said: “As Britain’s equality regulator, we are currently undertaking an assessment of the DWP’s compliance with the PSED under Section 31 of the Equality Act 2006.

    “This robust enforcement action involves assessing the department’s compliance with the duty when developing, implementing and monitoring policy guidance related to health assessment determinations for people with learning disabilities or long-term mental health conditions.

    “We are also undertaking an investigation over concerns about the treatment of these disabled benefits claimants – focused on whether the DWP failed to make reasonable adjustments during those health assessment determinations.”

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  • Vulcress
    Vulcress Online Community Member Posts: 111 Empowering

    Sorry if its been posted the new PIP test has apparently been leaked

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/try-the-proposed-new-pip-test

  • mangomungo
    mangomungo Online Community Member Posts: 180 Empowering

    I’m glad this is happening. What I think is disgraceful is Starmers background as a lawyer, he knows or should know this is an infringement on peoples rights and protected characteristics yet has gone ahead with it anyway which puts his whole integrity and imo leadership into question. If he’d have run on a manifesto of taking benefits from the disabled and sick and sweeping cuts to departments he wouldn’t have been voted in so it shouldn’t be allowed to go ahead at all

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 1,295 Championing

    All this because reeves terrible budget in Oct. She has no idea how to manage it. I was watching a economist on talk, he said if she reversed the national insurance on business that would help a lot. I doubt if she will. So if echr said it was unlawful can it be stopped

  • Anniebeau
    Anniebeau Online Community Member Posts: 24 Contributor

    I wish we could contact Michael Sheen and ask him to stick up for the disabled. I wouldn’t know how to contact him though and if he would even read a letter etc.

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Online Community Member Posts: 170 Empowering

    I've been doing my bit emailing MP's etc but I'm afraid to say, there has been hardly any 'pushback' in parliament.

    Yes we've had a couple of MP's resign and merely a handful 'speak out' but this week has shown that most MP'S seem to be in agreement with the cuts, or even scared to 'go against them' ....this terrifies me because it points to these proposals being passed through parliament. And the disability charities haven't really 'fought back', their very 'lax' reactions have been all but buried in the media.

    BTW, not one MP has had the decency to even reply to my emails.

    The contempt most of them have for the sick and vulnerable is really starting to show.

    I've lost all hope of these proposals being 'watered down' or cancelled.

    Sadly I've resigned myself to the major possibility of it being a 'done deal'.

    Destitution here I come.

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Online Community Member Posts: 170 Empowering

    And go through they will. It's disgraceful. But we don't have enough MP'S to fight our corner.

    And I must say Catherine, given how awful and dangerous these proposals are, the disability charities have really let us down this week.

    There has been NO PUSHBACK OF ANY NOTE FROM THE ORGANISATIONS THAT CLAIM TO BE FOR THE DISABLED. JUST A FEW VERY LACKLUSTRE STATEMENTS.

  • Vulcress
    Vulcress Online Community Member Posts: 111 Empowering

    Spot on,

    What's triggered this her fiscal rules will fail totally, Now they are sending her team out

    saying "of course its not austerity". Its Austerity, they made a serious of promises that were not needed. Funny though the promise to make the mega wealthy pay has been broken no problem,

    Starmer can change his stance on issues in a matter of days.

    A book suggests its people like Mc Fadden are running the show

    and given how Starmer is performing I could well believe it.

    they seem to be under this impression 2 years time everything will be amazing

    and a 2nd term assured. If this years Elections go bad watch the collective meltdown

    they appear to have prepared nothing for Government whilst in opposition

    C&C should be the foundation of Labour, Common sense and Compassion

    its never weak to show compassion its never weak to speak from the heart

    and defend the people who need defending. But what we are seeing from Starmer

    is a feckless man who buckled when the right wing media piled pressure on him.

    I would go as far to say we might be seeing the end of the Labour party as we know it

    they have totally lost focus on what separates them from the Tories/Reform

  • Vulcress
    Vulcress Online Community Member Posts: 111 Empowering

    Its a limbo period.

    What appears to have happened is Kendall and Timms called a meeting with MP's to basically stop a rebellion later on, then they opened the floor to comments and basically every MP

    said they had been flooded with messages from mild to very abusive stating long term voters will never support them again, new MP's who barely won got angry saying they were not elected on a platform like this and the meeting then went even worse when one asked was the story true Reeves is planning on more welfare cuts this coming week, Both Ministers apparently refused to answer and that's when MP's shouted they would not vote in favour.

    Starmer seems confused, If the role of an MP is just to vote for whatever the leader wants

    it makes this form of governance a total waste of time, MP's are there to convey back to the Govt exactly what the people who voted for them are saying. I really am getting the vibe from Starmer he's acting like a President = vote against me I kick you out.

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