The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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From Rightsnet
18 March 2025, 04:39 pm#10
Sam H
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I hope to write up proper thoughts at another time, but aside from all the other horribleness with this, what particularly stood out to me was that the “4 points in one activity to qualify for PIP” requirement will be implemented by primary legislation. There is no particular need for this as presently all provisions to do with scoring, etc, are addressed under the regulations and I see no reason why this change could not be implemented through changing the regs. The SSWP’s power to do so is quite clearly stated in s. 80 WRA 2012.
Unless, of course, if the Government thought that this change would be incompatible with the Equality and/or Human Rights Acts, therefore requiring the change to be made by an Act of Parliament to prevent it being struck down by the courts.
In the same vein, the changes to PIP and the WCA are notably not part of the consultation. With regard to those changes, they are only interested in hearing how people who will lose PIP (read: all financial support under the new rules) can best be supported when this happens (but somewhat confusingly the green paper states earlier that TP may be on the table for current claimants).
https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/21015/
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This is the sad reality of politics……it’s all about numbers, not individual experiences. Why should MPs only be persuaded to act when they receive thousands of emails from disabled constituents? A true MP should be willing to act even if just one disabled person reaches out, because every life affected by these policies matters.
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Unfair? It's criminal as to remove millions off LCWRA because computer says Guess what? Your healed not disabled any more is a massive lie
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indeed, but I’m afraid there’s little morality left in society and less so around privileged circles.🤑
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In the telegraph on x 🚨 NEW: The Equality and Human Right Commission is investigating Labour’s benefits cuts for potentially breaching the Equality Act
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PIP change to be pushed through primary legislation, despite there being no procedural or practical necessity. Is this to bypass Equality Act/HRA?
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I fear you may be right.
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I watched dynamic duo on YouTube, he used to work at the dwp . He said he doesn’t think these reforms will go through . That in his opinion they’re not legal .
I read earlier that councils are now worried as they’ll be expected to take the strain of care once ppl start losing carers allowance. Imagine if it is over a million ppl losing out , that will surely lead to cut backs at councils if not bankruptcy. They haven’t thought this through. Once you add up more tribunal staff for appeals , NHS , council carers . It’ll cost them more than they save .
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Oh yeah… don’t even get me started on the morality debate! 🙄🙄
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It's madness that all of a sudden we lose our LCWRA. Due to this cruelty, I haven't been sleeping or eating properly since last Tuesday when they published their evil changes. Neither am I able to take this off my mind for ten minutes.
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Felt this for years,
You can have MP's with the highest education but actual common sense is totally lacking
Take Torsten Bell for ages chair of a group on poverty, Make him a minister and its like a totally different person.
I notice UNITE and other Unions are posting about this policy, I only use Bluesky now
So I questioned them its okay saying this is disgusting etc etc but are they going to stop the money to labour?
Because right now all we hear some Cabinet Ministers deeply unhappy. MP's deeply unhappy
force the issue right now, Resign from Cabinet Resign the Whip.
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Why are there no point based systems for these consultation? What I mean is, its ok filling out the form saying you dont agree with this or that for whatever reasons but there should also be a points voting system such as:
1 agree
2 slight agree
3 undecided
4 slightly disagree
5 disagree!
The reason I think this is because I cannot see anyone actually reading through thousands up thousands of responses as this would take ages so a point scoring system would show the either discontent or not with what ever they want to do. Plus if they have loads of different people reading the responses how exactly is it recorded what the majority of opinions are?2 -
Primary legislation cannot be challenged in the UK courts due to parliamentary sovereignty, which protects Acts of Parliament from judicial review. But courts can declare a primary legislation incompatible with human rights.
Keep informing others and fighting.
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Even if they don't read them, they would at least know that their inboxes are flooded by unhappy constituents.
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No because I only watched it on GBN where representatives from both charities were guests and expressed their disgust at these proposals.
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The damn Tories were even better, as t least they were not reassessing people on LCWRA and leaving them in peace.
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just read the headline of The Telegraph ( don’t have subscription). It basically said The equality commission is looking into the cuts to see if they’re breaking equality laws.
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independence payments Credit: House of CommonsEthan CroftSunday Political Correspondent22 March 2025 6:00pm GMT
Labour’s proposed benefit cuts will be investigated by a human rights watchdog for potentially breaking equality law.
The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) has said it is considering whether the plans set out by Liz Kendall to cut disability benefits comply with the Equality Act.
A spokesman for the EHRC said: “The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) must consider the equality impact of the proposed benefit reforms on disabled people.
“The public sector equality duty (PSED) requires government departments to have due regard for how their policies and decisions affect people with protected characteristics.”
The Work and Pensions Secretary’s proposals include cuts to disability benefits and a higher age cap for claimants.
Ms Kendall announced on Tuesday that the eligibility age for the health and disability component of universal credit would rise from 18 to 22.
The age of eligibility for personal independence payments (PIP) may also rise from 16 to 18.
She also announced the Government could cut universal credit disability benefits almost in half from April 2026, which she aims to balance with a rise in the standard allowance element of universal credit.
https://cf-particle-html.eip.telegraph.co.uk/0f97aa03-6ea6-49e0-bc17-36396c22aef6.html?direct=true&id=0f97aa03-6ea6-49e0-bc17-36396c22aef6&template=clsMs Kendall has delayed publishing equality impact assessments of the policies, which are required by law, until after the Chancellor’s fiscal statement on Wednesday.
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The assessments are expected to show that over 2 million people will be affected by the cuts. They will also give an estimate of how many will be pushed into poverty by Ms Kendall’s reforms.
An EHRC spokesman said the watchdog is considering the green paper, including “its wider implications for people with protected characteristics”.
The watchdog has previously criticised the Government for delaying equality impact assessments for political convenience.
Last year Chancellor Rachel Reeves was accused of “breaking rules” by refusing to release an impact assessment of the cuts to winter fuel allowance.
The assessment, later disclosed under Freedom of Information laws, showed seven in 10 disabled pensioners would lose the allowance.
Ms Reeves was later reprimanded by the watchdog for providing an “insufficient” impact assessment of National Insurance changes which disproportionately hit women workers.
The release of the welfare reform impact assessments could spell trouble for Ms Kendall’s reforms.
https://cf-particle-html.eip.telegraph.co.uk/165b9ab0-d28b-4a30-aa65-00820a773b65.html?direct=true&id=165b9ab0-d28b-4a30-aa65-00820a773b65&template=clsShe has already faced a wave of discontent about the cuts from Labour party colleagues, including senior Cabinet ministers.
Any potential watering down of the cuts as a result of the impact assessments will now come after the Chancellor’s fiscal statement on Wednesday.
This means that the promised £5 billion of cuts to welfare should be factored into the Office for Budget Responsibility’s (OBR) forecast of the country’s economic performance.
On Wednesday the Chancellor will respond to the OBR’s latest forecast.
Ms Reeves is preparing to make swinging public spending cuts in order to save her economic project amid expectations of the country’s economic growth falling by half.
The projected cuts to benefits are expected to form one part of this wider effort to balance the books.
https://player.acast.com/65804e0f1585de00125ded2d/episodes/67dad9e7f48da9809269477eThe EHRC is currently undertaking a wider investigation of the DWP’s practices after concerns were raised about its compliance with equality law under the last government.
An EHRC spokesperson said: “As Britain’s equality regulator, we are currently undertaking an assessment of the DWP’s compliance with the PSED under Section 31 of the Equality Act 2006.
“This robust enforcement action involves assessing the department’s compliance with the duty when developing, implementing and monitoring policy guidance related to health assessment determinations for people with learning disabilities or long-term mental health conditions.
“We are also undertaking an investigation over concerns about the treatment of these disabled benefits claimants – focused on whether the DWP failed to make reasonable adjustments during those health assessment determinations.”
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Sorry if its been posted the new PIP test has apparently been leaked
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/try-the-proposed-new-pip-test
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I’m glad this is happening. What I think is disgraceful is Starmers background as a lawyer, he knows or should know this is an infringement on peoples rights and protected characteristics yet has gone ahead with it anyway which puts his whole integrity and imo leadership into question. If he’d have run on a manifesto of taking benefits from the disabled and sick and sweeping cuts to departments he wouldn’t have been voted in so it shouldn’t be allowed to go ahead at all
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