Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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I will try to explain this again.
It initially be just PIP as the PIP assessment isnt used for LCW.
Automated repeat WCA is going to resume, it might already have resumed, as long as the WCA is still here then the PIP assessment only affects PIP, the plan is to eventually get rid of WCA, and when that happens there will be no more LCW/LCWRA, a health top up will replace it, the health top up will have no automated exemption from work related activities, its purely a financial support mechanism. When this change happens there will only be the PIP assessment.
The health top up will have two ways to be eligible, either via PIP daily living or if you already have LCWRA before 2026, and you then are awarded LCWRA again from a new WCA after that point. I assume if you are made eligible via the second way, then you keep it perpetually without assessments until the next reform or claim closed, a kind of grand fathering.1 -
She will only be told if someone does a successful court challenge, governments have shown time and time again they are prepared to disregard the law, remember innocent until proven guilty. This court challenge only has a few months window, as the paper (the parts with no consultation) will very likely be law by this summer.
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Its more lies really, if it was just about improving work access, they can do that without eligibility and cash cuts. Likewise the more recent interviews have claimed those who cant work will stay protected, clearly requiring 4 points to be eligible for PIP (which will later be a requirement for the health topup also) makes that a lie.
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She's swallowed the KoolAid. By the gallon it appears.
How long do you think she spent, twisting her logic, to reach those "reasons" it was wrong for her mother and son to have received benefits due to illness / disability.
Why don't you hand them back then?
I'd put my house on her son passing whatever the new PIP test is with flying colours, irrespective of his condition/s, despite her assertion all he wants is a chance to work. 🙄
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So there's not enough well paid jobs in the country hiring, many on UC to top up wages. As well as many looking for jobs.
A policy to force those of us on some form of disability benefit to join the queue of those seeking work. Where are these jobs coming from? And who are these employers who will take on people with disabilities?
I have worked several times, and each time, my mental health would crash because I was always on edge, made me suicidal, so I ended up on ESA and PIP.
Could I work from home? Absolutely, but there's no one hiring, I want to get out of the nightmare of constantly having to justify my disability.
But you know, it's okay for MPs to get free things, and a pay rise.
For the few, not the many.
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@Summerlove , you are absolutely correct. It’s good to see someone who’s sitting up in parliament truly cares for disabled people and condones the actions of their own party members. I still cannot believe for a mere sake of £6billion govt is prepared to eat off a dead person’s plate. I will surely look out for posts from secretsquirrel . Be blessed too 🤝
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@idk said:
"I have worked several times, and each time, my mental health would crash because I was always on edge, made me suicidal, so I ended up on ESA and PIP."
Me too. The covert and overt bullying by colleagues is what saw my final collapse after 40+ years of "earning my keep".
It's all fine and well Kendall, Reeves, Rayner et al pontificating about employers/reasonable adjustments etc. but my experience is the employers are not the problem.
Colleagues who greatly resented any reasonable adjustments would not take their resentment / jealousy up with the manager/employer. They expressed their resentment cattily, bitchily and humiliatingly directly to me, or in my direction whilst pretending it was a "general" discussion.
I hope your ESA is not New Style because it would appear those of us on that, without UC, are being sacrificed first. 😕
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I always worked with people who seemed pleasent, and nice, but the wiring in my head tells me they are all lying, and judging, which makes working with people difficult.
Working from home would be ideal for me, but there's an obsession with getting people into offices, which I just can't do.
I was on legacy ESA, and got migrated to UC, which was a smooth process for me. The issue with legacy ESA is that we got ignored for the £20 uplift during COVID I think it was.
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I know what you mean . I’m trying not to panic as Sunak put my conditions into a set back . I was just getting better when Labour got in and I guessed there were going after us early on. It just doesn’t make sense how they’re trying to cut back further than anyone has tried before and they’ve failed.
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@idk ,Sounds like your wiring in your head is 100% spot on✅
Best Wishes!
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I really hope the activists such as Ellen get something ready in time . It happened for the Tory green paper. From what I’ve watched in YouTube things are happening so fingers crossed as this is unbelievable. Apparently the ECHR are also looking into this . From what I’ve watched ppl who are benefiting from advisors and ex dwp reckon it’s discrimination regarding the 18-24 years not able to claim and the 4 points rule.
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BBC News website now leading with the story about even more welfare cuts to be announced on Wednesday.
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Ranald, I was medically retired from my job and I was quite unwell from all the stress I’d gone through with office bitching and backstabbing. I didn’t get any universal credit for 8 months and they didn’t tell me about legacy benefits. I, had to go in for weekly job coach meetings, for months as they took 1 1/2 years to give me LCWRA…..They kept trying to get me to go to a puzzle group. One day I barfed all over their carpet and I was on phone interviews after that….
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More cuts!
And there will be more as time goes by cause the economy will worsen
I hope charities challenge ALL these changes proposed.
Getting rid of ESA CB it’s a big loss for the welfare state.
In other European countries if you’ve become too ill to work, and won’t be able to do so in the future, you are entitled to a significant life time pension till your death.
(If you improve and can work, you can do so, just tell them so).
Their award is much more than a few hundred quid a month, it’s like a few thousand a month depending on your contributions.
Regardless of savings etc
IMO that’s the way to look at it.
Our benefit awards are a pittance.
I hope these charities that fight in the name of the disabled community take this into account and legally fight to abolish this unemployment insurance, cause this change as the legal procedure is set up, can be challenged in court. Letting it go unchallenged would be a terrible mistake for the ill and disabled community.These charities want changes and higher benefits for everyone in need (which the different governments aren’t willing to give). However very little or no mention of this new proposal insurance employment from them.
This benefit ESA CB it’s something that we already have, it would be a major blow for our welfare state to lose it.
Finally, having seen the inner workings, corruption at work from different Unions (which was a big blow for me), I have to question these charities motivations including Scope. Only time will tell if they are really on the disabled community side.
Unfairness it’s always something worth fighting for regardless of the consequences.
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just seen the news, what a country we live in, hate this place. Can’t describe how I’m feeling, sick to my stomach.
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Hi just make a new thread with whatever heading you wish related to your subject. X
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And what a waste of money.
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It's terrifying. I ask myself just how much harder they can hit us but I feel that they'll just continue this torture until a future government is prepared to raise taxes. The cuts so far will impact on the NHS and councils massively.
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"Ms Reeves is now expected to announce that universal credit (UC) incapacity benefits for new claimants, which were halved under the original plan, will also be frozen until 2030 rather than rising in line with inflation.
As originally reported by The Times, there will also be a small reduction in the basic rate of UC in 2029, with the new measures expected to raise £500m."0
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