Spring Statement Discussion (link to documents here)
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The bigger problem is that so many of the papers are either ignoring that or are genuinely confused by the difference. The misinformation in the press of late has been so intense, in order to turn public opinion against those claiming.
It happened in 2011 right before the government austerity closed my workplace. There was a concerted campaign against public sector workers, quoting the salaries of chief executives and claiming that we had all these extra privileges and higher pay rises and so on (I think the phrase was pigs in the trough, actually). At that time public sector workers had been under a pay rise freeze for years, and in my case, I was working 25 hours a week (the maximum I can manage with my disability, factoring in transport as an extra as well), and the amount I earned in a year was less than the cost of a new car at the time.
The people who lost their jobs in austerity were those of us who were patching up the frontline services after years of cuts and not the ones who were earning the big money.
Just like the people who are going to lose their benefits are the most vulnerable, not the (alleged) fraudsters (who probably don't exist anyway).I did notice with distaste the suggestion that people will just 'claim for more severe disabilities' to keep PIP. The implication being we all just lie on our PIP forms to get more money. Even though the DWP's own official fraud figure is 0%.
Feeding the media misinformation is a surefire way to get the gullible on board with cuts that will doubtless lead to loss of life. The abuse against disabled people on social media lately (most of it from people who haven't the first clue and have just copy pasted opinions from the Mail or some other right wing paper) has been really disgusting.
It isn't rocket science, either, that the 3.2million who are going to lose out are those at the poor end of the spectrum. The ones who will benefit will be in the upper wage brackets. The ones who can actually get working from home jobs, or who can relocate at a moment's notice to take a better job - or the ones who are employed because recruitment favours those who can babble about themselves for hours rather than do the job they're interviewing for.
Adding in a few thoughts before I finally go to bed…
Firstly - they might take the PIP and other stuff to primary legislation, the Lords kicked about and kicked out the monitoring of bank accounts because they saw it as prompting potential legal action. They highlighted this as an issue even if it became law. So even if they made it law in a ridiculous "Rwanda law" way, that doesn't mean the fight is necessarily done. The actual qualification thing might be put into law, but there is the potential to challenge what the assessment criteria are (and we know they discriminate against invisible disabilities) and also how the DWP are awarding them (to ensure they are not downgrading people to save money).
We actually have a sort of precedent for this, when Cameron et al tried to remove 'psychological distress' from PIP to reduce the number of claimants and was forced to back down because it discriminated against certain disabilities. It's not quite the same but it does mean that if their suggestions disproportionately impact certain disabilities, it could be harder to get it through without amendments.So there are still areas they can contest, even if the 4 points becomes fixed. Plus, if the monitoring bank accounts law could have been challenged legally even after becoming law, I am not sure why this one could not be too. I think maybe in the case of the other law it was the potential for individual claimants bringing legal action - which would also be an option, if several individual claimants took the DWP to court over points not being allocated correctly, or whatever. But I'm not a lawyer. So. Onto my other point…
Government keeps talking about severe disabilities, but the Equalities Act mentions a substantial and long-term impact. It does not use the term 'severe'. This is a government opinion, or assumption, but with regard to equality, they surely have to prove that having many criteria at 2 points each is not commensurate with a disability that has a 'substantial and long term' impact. This is not the same thing as the 'severe' disability argument they keep painting. Nobody knows what a severe disability is, not really - afaik there's no official definition :/
I do miss the DDA, though. At least then we had an act that was designed to protect us, whereas right now we're the afterthoughts of the Equalities Act, and govt policy indicates they don't think our rights matter very much.8 -
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I don't want to laugh, but I will.
I said as much to my partner yesterday after Rachel From Accounts' (RFA) hour in the limelight, of which, btw, she appeared to enjoy every nanosecond.
I told him I reckon, for me at least, it's the soup pot or the munitions factory in RFA's bright, new world. Those seem to be the choices facing me.
In a more serious conversation, I genuinely believe people will need to form households with others in similar circumstances to survive.
The idea of attempting to live independently, as a disabled person, in RFA's bright, new world is for the birds I'm afraid.
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That's me on the streets then , not only am I politically homeless I'll literally be homeless as well
I'm going to be one of the suicide statistics becauee this has broken me
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I'm sorry to hear you are having so much trouble. Don't know if this helps but stick to your guns with them. I declared an amount from small pensions pot around £300. Heard nothing about it until a year later when they decided I had to pay it back . I challenged this as I had not had money deducted from previous one and had confirmation on my posts from a decision maker it would not affect my benefit. They took money bsck from me but then eventually when people started reading and acting on messages I was told I didn't owe them. They have just refunded me 6 months later . Take screen shots of everything in your journal. I went months without responses and did mention if I hadn't responded to them I'd be sanctioned. Wish you all best.
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completely agree with you my son is 22 and off in August out of this country.He’s fed up with it here
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The job center told me that my LCWRA is yearly review even though I have long term conditions. I guess I lose this money very quickly soon.
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Hi
I haven't got the paperwork to hand but it says nothing about LCW. Just substantial risk for LCWRA
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I'm also planning to leave this summer. Best of luck to your son.
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I wasn't going to post on Scope again due to some peoples comments when they don't agree with an answer, which is based on truth. The truth is this government are going to put these welfare reforms through parliament using primary legislation, which means it can't be challenged in court. This is why we need to hear right now what charities and other groups have planned before it gets made law, that being at white paper stage. I realise this hasn't been issued yet until green paper consultations have finished in June, but they could at least say we intend to take this to court as it discriminates unfairly and will push many of us into poverty, including 50,000 children.
I think we just need a little bit of hope from activists etc being more vocal instead of just saying how bad these cuts are all the time, WE KNOW HOW BAD THEY ARE!! we've seen the green paper and what's in it, they won't water down any of it, legal procedings need to be started now, if only to delay these changes for months or hopefully years. I'm sure they are planning something but they need ti inform us more about any actions they will be taking, we are all terrified of these cuts, and please stop telling us to email our mp's etc, we've already done that, some more than once!!
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Thankyou good luck 🍀 to you as well
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That's exactly what I was trying to explain to people about it being passed through primary legislation I like you am frustrated with charities not explaining to us about what this means legally, as in it can't be challenged in court, and even if it does Keir Starmer can just shrug his shoulders. It needs to be challenged before it goes through parliament to stand any chance of delaying or stopping these evil plans.
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Well said Charlie, I've made numerous posts about charities not doing enough or saying enough !
We need to know do they intend to try and fight these changes ?
Giving statements and reactions to the media isn't helping us.
They're just stating the obvious.
These proposals are so severe, and many will become more ill and die.
I expected a lot more 'pushback' from charities and organisations.
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Going through all questions is confusing me a bit. Is there anyway scope can put on an faq on changes?
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Yes I agree, it's getting me very frustrated too, we need action now not just words and statements about what the government has said. We now already know what their plans are and the government are having all the say at the moment, and don't seem to be worried or fearing charities or activist groups at all. We need to get the ball back in our court and make them fear us, not just with words, but with threats of court action before they try to push these reforms through parliament. I want Scope and other charities to inform us what their intentions are going forward, as in legal action and court cases, not just oh dear sorry your all suffering, try to keep calm, email your mp!! I'm sick of hearing it, it's actually got me quite angry now ( I'm not usually an angry person) about nothing specific being mentioned about what they can start a legal case on, i.e, which parts could they challenge in court and likely win or get amended?
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Anyone see Rachel reeves on gmb getting a grilling. She was asked doses it make you sick to your stomach about putting people and children into poverty. She came out with the same old guff.about getting people into work. So they said so you have no emotion about it. She kept on about the opr and you could see she was panicking.
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