Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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Yes, I'm so sorry about that.
I need to be more careful before posting anything to really think and try to understand for certain what someone is saying.
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I am really not coping well with these changes that could happen. I keep saying to myself I got until Nov next year before things are dramatically going to possibly change. I stay up to 4 am trying to work out what I will do. Could I get stronger than morphine I already have to get through a 8 hour shift and how I cope if my back goes into spasms and I left unable to move properly for days. The more I read the more I believe it's going to happen. I contacted my MP and he says he to busy to attend the April 2nd meeting. I know everyone else feels the same and I sorry if I sound selfish in my post. But what are we all going to do.
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It is all down to the medical assessors and their final outcome as to whether you get lrwca or not.
No, it isn't down to them. First of all, they are not 'medical' assessors but health assessors. They don't need medical training to be able to read questions from a computer screen.
Secondly, the health assessor only makes a recommendation for LCWRA and any decision about entitlement is made by DWP decision-makers (also not medically-trained).
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Timms responding to urgent questions on PIP/Carers Allowance (nothing about ESA, as usual) on this in parliament this morning. I'm watching it on catch-up.
He is beyond clueless.
He's reading from a script, simply repeating the dogma of work will set you free, or kill you, it seems it doesn't really matter. Repeated mentions of those with severe conditions will be protected. (Who is defining who has a severe condition? Unqualified DWP employees? So many questions ….. )
It's obvious the carers were an afterthought, last page of paper.
Someone asked about a constituent couple who may lose £12k per year. He dismissed that by saying that's where both parties in the couple are claiming PIP and Carers Allowance each. He's wrong. Very wrong.
If we put aside the hideousness of this proposal, it's beyond shambolic in its presentation.
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Some very interesting comments. I am still asking with reference to retired PIP recipients. There has been a lot of talk of working age recipients. My question is retired OAP, you all know the ones they stopped winter fuel payments for 🤔
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Is there anything to stop hundreds of thousands of reassessments from being requested ?
They do say "If your condition changes - you need to notify DWP"
So - if they suddenly were flooded with requests - what would happen ?
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As far as I can tell, there's no mention of 'severe' in equality legislation around disability. Only 'substantial', which is a different word completely. Severe is subjective and government opinion. They are not qualified to judge what is a severe disability and what isn't. Nor are the vocal members of the public shrieking about knowing someone playing the system. The people who are qualified are those with proper, full training in the conditions that are being assessed - and the people who live with them, who need to be more represented in all decisions relating to the DWP and disability law.
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They are basically scrapping LCWRA in other words scrapping disability benefits. They have done this so sneakily. This is a very big deal. It's worse than anything the conservatives have ever done. There should be outrage. I don't know why media outlets are not focusing on this.
A party for working people punishing the disabled and most vulnerable who use the money to heat and feed themselves. They have completely rushed this whole thing literally in one day, it doesn't make sense at all. This will cause devastation on the people and the economy. They have not thought this through they are not ready for what is going to come their way if the go ahead with all this. THEY ARE NOT READY FOR IT. They won't get away with it.
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this is exactly right
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UUnder Uc someone said classed as worlers
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Technically Universal Credit is not a disability benefit. Disability benefits are DLA, PIP and Attendance Allowance. The new equivalent in Scotland also counts. Disability benefits cover the cost of disability - they are not related to employment status.
ESA and the LC etc are welfare benefits, they are also directly related to the ability to be in work. They are also means tested. Of course, these are claimed by disabled people, often who are unable to work due to their disability - but they are not disability benefits in their own right. They are tied to/related to income.
This is why people are able to work and claim PIP or DLA, but not usually ESA.
One of the big problems with this whole green paper is how much the media and discussions have conflated these, and thus the implications of cuts to either. It's also why tying migrated ESA/UC to PIP assessments is nonsense.1 -
but ESA CB is not means tested and non time limited
Something which this Green Paper is trying to change
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I just saw this old bookmark tab on my laptop so had a quick read, its from 2019. I noticed they were talking about -
''a small-scale test to explore the viability of a single assessment for Work Capability Assessments and PIP assessments'' Did this small scale test ever get carried out ? It would be interesting to know if it was and what the outcome showed.
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Ooh, excellent find @mrsBB it'd be interesting to find out if that happened.
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I, 61 //// 2025 i claim UC/ &LCWRA . UNITE UNTION MEMBER . AS i see it £416 lcwra frozen to 2030 Only Limited reassetnments for lcwra exciting claims b4 2026 ie circumstances change. FROM 2026 LCWRA / MERGE to become new health eletnment UC . FROM 2028 wca scRapped . to get health eletnment uc OLD lcwra . NEW claims pass PIP DAILY LIVING COMPOUND . Seems if u get full MOBILITY PIP 12 POINTS ENHANCED £75 WEEK Dont count LOL NOT . LITTLE change if you claim lcwra now b4 2026 frozen & £416 we get that amount to 2030 next 5 yrs . . CHANGES affect NEW claims from 2026 if/ IF ?? BECOMES LAW GOING TAKE 12/ 18 mouths to go througth HOUSE lords … then house parlitnment . 40 LABOUR MPS AGAINST CHANGE & UNTIONS UNITE PCS ETC CHARITYS SCOPE DISABILTY ACTION . KICKS off big protest tommorrow LEAD by LABOUR MP jhon mcdowell . STICK togher fight this injustice LABOUR 2024 ABUSE POWER. STAY SAFE FOLK KEEP UR CHINS UP
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Difficult to say. Going through the impact assessment, still a long way to finish it though, I found this chart.
It compares the ESA AND UC HEALTH element figures between the pre-measures forecast, and the post measures forecast.
The decrease in expenditure starts in 2026/2027 when the UC health element reduction takes place. That increase is constant for the rest of parliament. Also bear in mind that they also propose to freeze the UC health element for existing claimants from the same year.
So far what I’ve read in this impact assessment I’m inclined to say that current and new ESA CB awards will remain untouched throughout this parliament. That’s my informed guess so far
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Thank you Albus, my bookmark tab can be useful sometimes lol. If that test was conducted and its a big if, I'm betting the results were not what they expected so the theory was shelved, or they just ditched the crazy idea before they even implemented the test 🤣
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Oh thankyou ! I was reading legal people been warning could be good cases for legal challenges over freezing pip and discrimination targeting mental health
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amazing, hope that someone in legal will ask DWP for the result of that small scale test done in 2019
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