Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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Ive not been impressed with him either, he acts very certain but when Ive checked things with the people the CAB contact for specialist advice stuff was not as clear cut as he made out. I would not trust him or the other woman that does youtubes about PIP.
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The welfare state is going to be needed in the future. We are actually lucky we have something like welfare infrastructure many countries do not even have it. Most employment will be going in the future. More than 50% of people will NOT be working in 100-200 years time but there will still be an economy and we will still have to buy things. Employment will be taken over by AI. Almost all employment and businesses and trades you can think of can be taken over by AI. I wonder if the WCA assessor will be AI then?
People will not work in 100 years time, we are lucky we already have a welfare state that many countries do not and they are trying to destroy it.
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I am thankful that, unlike many people here, I know that my MP is very much against these cuts and has spoken out forcefully about them, mentioning his ‘frightened constituents’. I have written quite a detailed letter to him, which I know has been received, and I imagine many others have too. He is a Labour MP and I only hope that their own MPs being so vocal will get this Labour Government scared. If they want to hold on to power.and that’s the aim of any governing party isn’t it, they should start listening fast.
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Hopefully someone will post the link for us 😂
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also watch dynamic duo , Rich knows ppl who work at the DWP and has worked there himself. Another one is the justice journals with a woman called Alison who also worked at DWP and took them to court for discrimination. Politics Joe also has interviews with Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell at the protests . All on YouTube
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Unfortunately stable therapy dosen't exist anymore on the NHS. I hope you're able to handle seeking a therapist again soon, as by going private it's much less likely the therapy will abruptly end.
It's not okay to go around denying systemic ableism, ust because it dosen't affect you personally. Going after all disabled people is still discrimination.
Also you are still dependent on the DWP for your flat pension. The vast majority of DWP payments are for pensions, not disability benefits. Or unemployment for that matter.
And you can fight them. If people gave up fighting against fascist eugenicists that is the UK establishment, change will never happen. Case in point, the original DDA 1995.
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100%. Even if AI wasn't taking over jobs, unemployment is still needed in the economy to keep inflation down while helping circulate the economy via unemployment benefits. Not to mention all the disabled and elderly people getting older and living longer.
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That is absolutely brilliant!! Thank you for telling me about Defying Disability song. The lyrics are spot on and she is dressed as the Wicked Witch of the West! That has cheered me up. 🤣
You know that it is truly bad when the Chancellor gets lampooned like that though. 😮
It's hardly going to save money by doing more assessments and disabled people are going to be put in such a bad position that so many more will appeal than have ever done.
It's self defeating as it will cost more money to deal with all that, totally without the elephant in the room that it costs the state far more to put us even further into poverty than it's going to save. 🤦
I've put the actual link 🔗 to the video on so hopefully a few others will watch it. 🤭
https://youtu.be/iBZEx75qZjM?si=CLi7q2440VHaD62L
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Those 1970s predictions occured before neoliberalism became the dominant ideology in political and media circles. If it wasn't for neoliberalism (and by extension, the fascism that inevitably occurs as neoliberalism further restricts capital), it's quite possible those predictions would be correct.
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Could we take action against the government for disability discrimination if lose benefits
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Sadly, 😔 they sleep very well at night as the have no conscience.
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that’s a bit defeatist! Whilst you could be right, if people organise and make enough noise, they could modify or change things!
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AppleJacks, hello and welcome to the Scope forum 🤗
As a new member to the forum, you should not be facing this much criticism and judgement for your comments. I understand much of what you're saying. I'm also 60+ without my due benefits but still disabled! If you're a woman then of course you know what discrimination is! 😅
Distractions from today's news, what's everybody doing today?I found this thread on Page 12. Perhaps we can revive it.
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Edit: we did 😀 for today at least!
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Thank you. Everybody seems to be offended these days. I'm not on here to upset the apple cart, I was just saying how it is and present governments and past governments aren't forgiving. This mostly started with the Blair government and he still has a lot of sway by the looks of it, he's been advising Starmer on what to do with benefits. It was just my opinion and I was hoping some people wouldn't take offence, but obviously they have.
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So are you now blaming pensioners, should I be offended?..No I'm not Steller. Everyone has an opinion, not just you.
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ECHR analysis 2018
The results forecast that child poverty will increase substantially by 2021/22 as a result of the tax and welfare reforms between 2010 and 2017, resulting in around 1.5 million extra children being in poverty.
1.5 million extra children in poverty!
• Lone parents who are FRS core disabled with at least one disabled child fare even worse on average, losing almost three out of every 10 pounds of their net income. In cash terms, their average losses are almost £10,000 per year.
• Couples with children in a similar position (at least one FRS core disabled adult, and at least one disabled child) also experience substantial average losses: slightly under one in every five pounds of net income – an average cash loss of almost £8,000 per year.
• Households with a disability score of 6 or more in England lose an average of £520 per year from the DLA–PIP reassessment process, and around £1,200 from the five reforms modelled here.
Analysis of the reforms by individual disability ‘score’ and age group shows that average losses from the reforms are greater for disabled adults in the 18–44 age group than for older adults; over-75s with a disability score of 6 or more lose slightly over £600 on average from the reforms, compared with almost £5,400 for under-25s in the same group.
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Have just signed 👍🏻 and shared
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I’m not a political person by any means, but I recently saw a post from a member (though I can’t find it now) that got me thinking. What if we nominated a leader from our community and officially registered an independent disabled-led party:run by disabled people, for disabled people? If we built a nationwide disability movement and possibly formed a coalition with like-minded established political parties , do you think we’d stand a real chance in the next General Election?
Given the current volatile situation,I’m sure that if such a party were to emerge now, it could truly transform the nation giving a voice & hope to millions, driving real change, and creating a more inclusive society in every avenue .With 16 million disabled people in the UK, could this be a game-changer, or is it too ambitious?
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I googled FRS and found this on GOV.UK
Dataset: Family Resources Survey (Adult, Child, Individual)
Field: Disability Status of the Individual
Description
Whether the individual has a disability or not.
The definition of disability used in the FRS publication is consistent with the core definition of disability under the Equality Act 2010. A person is considered to have a disability if they "have a physical or mental impairment that has a 'substantial' and 'long-term' negative effect on their ability to do normal daily activities". Where by 'substantial' means more than minor or trivial, and 'long-term' means 12 months or more. Some individuals classified as disabled and having rights under the Equality Act 2010 are not captured by this definition:
- People with a long-standing illness or disability who would experience substantial difficulties without medication or treatment
- People who have been diagnosed with cancer, HIV infection or multiple sclerosis but who are not currently experiencing difficulties with their day-to-day activities
- People with progressive conditions, where the effect of the impairment does not yet impede their lives
- People who were disabled in the past but are no longer limited in their daily lives
Classification
Applicable to: all individuals.
- Not a disabled child / adult / person
- Disabled child / adult / person
Total number of categories: 2
Quality Statement
The basis of identifying people with a disability has changed over time:
- From 2002-03 to 2003-04 a person with a disability was an individual who reported substantial difficulties across eight areas of life
- From 2004-05 to 2011-12 a person with a disability was an individual who reported substantial difficulties across nine areas of life
- From 2012-13 onwards a person with a disability was an individual who reported any physical or mental health condition(s) or illness(es) that last or are expected to last 12 months or more, and which limit their ability to carry out day-to-day activities a little, or a lot. The FRS disability questions were revised to reflect new harmonised standards
Comparisons over time should be made with caution, as they may be affected by the change in the definition of disability and individuals might have different interpretations of particular health conditions or FRS question wording.
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