Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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Maybe its just me but I'm still not clear what is going to happen regarding contribution based
esa.
I suppose more information will emerge in the coming days via the media.
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Hi all,
A quick question.
I currently receive the LCWRA payment, for a few health reasons, but mainly as I hit one of the main criteria that seems to automatically qualify you for the payment, that being I can't swallow at all, all my nutrition is via Rig tube and I use a pump for the main part of my feed, this is connected 11 hours straight.
If the proposed changes come in, will I lose the LCWRA payment as I might not get 4 points on any one descriptor, even though it's one of the few health issues that's on the DWP list for automatic qualification?
Thanks,
Warren
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Unfortunately at a rate of 1000 pip awards a day it has made this vital benefit unsustainable.
I fear that a lot of genuine people are going to lose out!
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I'm trying to get my head around it tbh. What I haven't done yet is read all the Green Paper which I need to do this week, plus other documents I think that related to assessments which are on here somewhere. That has to be my starting point.
It's completely understandable being up and down because of it all. I really feel for you, all of us actually and I wish I had answers.
I do know one thing. If all of this is passed into law (possibly by this summer although the changes won't start until next year) I am going to do a lot of thinking (already started that 🫠)/looking at it from different angles to see where and how it can be fought. I feel somewhat useless being housebound but whilst I've still got a brain in my head I'll do what my dad always said: use your brain. 😅❤️
My survival (and everyone else's here) is important to me (and my dogs) and even though it is not important to the government, I hope I still have the fighting spirit I've had to summon it up like before.
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Thanks for the replies.
It's obviously stressful not knowing, my swallowing function isn't going to return, so they would have to completely ignore or scrap the current DWP criteria that's in black and white for situations like mine if they wanted to stop me getting LCWRA, which wouldn't surprise me given how they've acted so far.
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In the green paper, 11.5-11.6 seems to mention it.
Apparently, they are considering how this change would affect individuals who currently meet the criteria, and talk of 'higher rate unemployment insurance'.
I have no idea what that is to be honest.
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Can anyone tell me what is meant by 'substantial risk' please?
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It definitely confusing!
They really should have answers for all scenarios before bringing these changes forward, all they've done is create fear, confusion and stress for so many people
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I’d like to know what will happen to disabled people with enhanced mobility awards that can’t walk aided or unaided 1-20 meters or less. How are we all going to get to job centre and undertake work training programmes. Also even if I could get there it would have to be by taxi at £25 a go. They haven’t thought about so many things it scares me that these incompetent idiots are in charge.
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"In the context of the Personal Independence Payment (PIP), "substantial risk" refers to a situation where there's a strong possibility that a claimant's condition or disability, if not addressed, could lead to serious harm to their physical or mental health, or the health of others."
Here's a more detailed explanation:
- Purpose of the Safety Net:The "substantial risk" criteria acts as a safety net in PIP assessments, ensuring that individuals who might otherwise be deemed ineligible for support are not left without the necessary assistance if their health is at significant risk.
- Focus on Severity:The assessment focuses on the potential severity of harm, meaning that even if an event is unlikely, if the consequences are serious, it can still be considered a substantial risk.
- Examples of Substantial Risk:
- A claimant who is actively suicidal or at high risk of exhibiting violent behavior, and needs prompting to avoid harming themselves or others, would meet this descriptor.
- If carrying out a specific activity could cause a substantial and sustained worsening of a claimant's condition, making it unsafe for them to do it at all.
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- Evidence Required:To establish a substantial risk, there needs to be strong evidence supporting the claim, such as involvement with mental health services, care plans, or other documentation demonstrating the risk.
- Impact on PIP:A finding of substantial risk can lead to a claimant being awarded the enhanced rate of PIP, ensuring they receive the necessary support to manage their condition and maintain their independence.
- Original Policy Intent:The original policy intent for "substantial risk" was for it to be advised only in exceptional circumstances.
- Current Application:The application of LCWRA risk has gone beyond the original intent.
- Impact on Labour Market Support:The application of LCWRA risk has excluded significant numbers of people from receiving appropriate labour market support to help them to move closer to work.
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She is living in cloud cuckoo land.
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It just not been thought out, it's just a big payment they see going out that they can claw back.
So I, and thousands of others will miraculously recover because the government says we're not ill enough anymore for payments, that's how health works right, someone just says you're not ill anymore and you suddenly feel better?
Just have to laugh at the moment to be honest
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Yes, I'm so sorry about that.
I need to be more careful before posting anything to really think and try to understand for certain what someone is saying.
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I am really not coping well with these changes that could happen. I keep saying to myself I got until Nov next year before things are dramatically going to possibly change. I stay up to 4 am trying to work out what I will do. Could I get stronger than morphine I already have to get through a 8 hour shift and how I cope if my back goes into spasms and I left unable to move properly for days. The more I read the more I believe it's going to happen. I contacted my MP and he says he to busy to attend the April 2nd meeting. I know everyone else feels the same and I sorry if I sound selfish in my post. But what are we all going to do.
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It is all down to the medical assessors and their final outcome as to whether you get lrwca or not.
No, it isn't down to them. First of all, they are not 'medical' assessors but health assessors. They don't need medical training to be able to read questions from a computer screen.
Secondly, the health assessor only makes a recommendation for LCWRA and any decision about entitlement is made by DWP decision-makers (also not medically-trained).
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Timms responding to urgent questions on PIP/Carers Allowance (nothing about ESA, as usual) on this in parliament this morning. I'm watching it on catch-up.
He is beyond clueless.
He's reading from a script, simply repeating the dogma of work will set you free, or kill you, it seems it doesn't really matter. Repeated mentions of those with severe conditions will be protected. (Who is defining who has a severe condition? Unqualified DWP employees? So many questions ….. )
It's obvious the carers were an afterthought, last page of paper.
Someone asked about a constituent couple who may lose £12k per year. He dismissed that by saying that's where both parties in the couple are claiming PIP and Carers Allowance each. He's wrong. Very wrong.
If we put aside the hideousness of this proposal, it's beyond shambolic in its presentation.
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Some very interesting comments. I am still asking with reference to retired PIP recipients. There has been a lot of talk of working age recipients. My question is retired OAP, you all know the ones they stopped winter fuel payments for 🤔
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Is there anything to stop hundreds of thousands of reassessments from being requested ?
They do say "If your condition changes - you need to notify DWP"
So - if they suddenly were flooded with requests - what would happen ?
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