Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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I meant the green paper that's already out. It runs for 12 weeks, so they are probably waiting for the conclusion to that before they speak out
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my understanding is that certain benefits, like winter payment, housing benefit, uc health element they are not part of the National insurance Fund. So government can potentially change those as a money bill. Which hastens the process by a lot I think.
Again this is my understanding for what I’ve read in gov website and what people have been posting.
If there are other avenues to challenge those, I don’t know.
I know that some pensioners have taken the government to court regarding the winter fuel payment. But I don’t have the ins and outs of that bill, process etc
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Maybe the second green paper states all this about pip
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Thankyou for explaining I think he's ten steps ahead have to accept its happening
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I think you are overrating KS abilities by a lot.
He’s a finished politician already. You’ll see
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Trump releases 20% tariffs ...
Reeves 10 billion headroom wiped out .....
Economy nose dives .....
Reeves & Starmers futures cast in to doubt .….
Our best hope ?
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Lets hope that loophole is a startgate to take him and his demons into infinity and beyond .
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Are you in Scotland? Is it different for you thier actually investing more into welfare p
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The Tories will vote with Labour to pass the changes regardless of the size of the Labour rebellion but a Labour rebellion will be damaging to Starmer and Reeves' plans.
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A resignation or two wouldn't go amiss
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Disability charities ect may need to drop the political impartiality and create a party which doesn't follow "Left vs Right" politics but is an umbrella party/pressure group which stands for disability rights.
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OOh I hope so
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God I could say more on that every emotion a person could ever have I think taken us to hell and back
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I seen an mp I think she was made a brilliant speech about benefits and urged uk to do same fat chance when she was speaking I was thinking i wish I lived in Scotland might visit family in muirkirk Ayrshire beautiful Edinburgh very up and coming
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I feel psychologically battered to the ground with no fight left but I guess that is what they wanted.
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What sort of damage to their plans do you envisage?
I can see the optics being bad for them in the event of substantial Labour rebellion. However, imo, all they are invested in is having the plans enacted, irrespective of how it looks.
They know there is no second term for them. Being perceived by the corporate world as being able to make, and enact, tough decisions, is their aim.
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I see. Do MPs not have specific email addresses for their ministerial parliamentary groups? If so, that's a horrid oversight.
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You may want to look at Disabled People Against Cuts. They are highly effective disability activists, they were the ones who fought the last government to have their disability green paper declared unlawful, mainly due to the finding by the Office for Budget Responsibility, the Treasury watchdog that only 3% of us would actually get employed!
https://dpac.uk.net/
Hence why this government are trying to force this one through by an Act of Parliament, to minimise that sort of action against them. However, even the OBR have said that there isn't enough detail in proposals.
Also, Labour will make a big mistake in making the rest of the MP's vote in July when the OBR's own impact assessment is not likely to be completed until October.
They are making many mistakes, in fact, with the way they are totally misrepresentating our chances of being able to work between our disabilities, highly reluctant employers and a persistently great shortage of work coaches and with the indecent haste at which they are doing it all, before due process has been followed.
I know that the DPAC will be doing their level best for us but I would try not to be too pessimistic, if you can. 😊 Even though the government seem so determined to get these proposals through and that the whole thing seems inevitable, that it will go through in it's current form, remember that they are doing it without following the correct protocol.
It's because we are so terrified of this succeeding that it seems so likely to happen to us. The reality is there is plenty to play for yet.
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https://archive.is/20250401233138/https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-welfare-reforms-incapacity-benefit-gqz6kt3lp
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I needed to read your post. Thank u. I'm feeling very pessimistic at the moment. I suppose like everyone else. All we can do is fight back the best we can. I'm of the mindset now 'that these proposals are going to go through. If some of them get watered down or don't happen I'll take it as a bonus.'
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