Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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Yes, @Santosha12
As always, it’s really lovely to hear from you !
I believe I know exactly the conversation you’re referring to. Reeves’ comments linking PIP cuts to employment point to a deeply worrying shift—treating vital disability support as a work incentive rather than the lifeline it truly is. It’s yet another blow that risks pushing thousands of us into poverty, isolation, and despair.
As I’ve said before, these proposals feel utterly senseless, driven by cost-cutting rather than compassion. Just because Labour calls itself the “party of work” doesn’t mean they can shoehorn all disabled people into employment, especially without recognising the sheer diversity and complexity of our lives. Reeves keeps repeating that “many disabled people want to work,” likely quoting from that infamous 3,401-person cohort. That doesn’t even come close to reflecting the reality of 16 million disabled people in the UK.
The government keeps insisting there’s been extensive consultation(even in this conversation)but what does that really mean? A meeting with a John Lewis manager? That’s hardly representative. It feels deeply flawed, Santosha.
That’s why I believe it’s crucial we respond to the consultation……loudly, honestly, and with all the emotion and reason this situation calls for. We must demand a complete redraft, led by real disabled voices, disability rights organisations and advocacy groups. True reform should improve the quality of life for people like you, me, many more, including those who may not even have a voice .
I’m feeling fired up after writing this💪🏽💪🏽so much so, I’m now drafting a personal email to the consultation address. I just wish my pain and insomnia would give me some break 🙄!
Thank you, as always, for your warmth and thoughtfulness.
Warmest wishes,
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Well, I think if you have mobility issues and already have scored 4 or more points in the descriptors in the past and awarded long term award then you should be fine theoretically that is. I say this because I think to start with they are going to go after people with mental health condition, those on LCWRA being the main focus. They have not released any further info on the WCA so there is no way to knowing what they are planning to change and what the descriptors will be.
I will say that I am only guessing at this because you can not trust this gov at all, they can go after everyone. We will not know until they release further info on the WCA descriptors etc. Whatever they decide, we will all have to unite and fight it.
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It's ridiculous, they are ignoring facts. Several times , when confronted with the official numbers who will be pushed into poverty, MPs have responded but that doesn't take into account how many will be helped into work (the old pocket money line 🤨). What work? What suitable jobs? What flexible employers? What NHS functioning properly to get people fit, especially MH services? They're operating in a fantasy land and as @noonebelieves points out, it's dangerous.
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@gamer1 , In regards to WCA, it’s a done deal as per their green paper proposal- it’s closed for consultation and being abolished , just Liebour’s clever way of stealing poor man’s pie -Sad!! 😔😔
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@judie Thank you, and you’ve hit the nail on the head. This Liebour government’s Green Paper feels like it’s been written in some fantasy La la land, completely out of touch with the daily realities people like us face.
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I love your post! 🤗 Lol I think that having a good and very dry sense of humour really does help. Looks like I'm not the only one. 👍
We would be the only country in world history to have our government eradicate disability. Can you imagine that. 🤣 Meanwhile, back in the real world.....
I was reading some of that particular document myself yesterday. What a study it is of sheer beaucratic cruelty dressed up as a pious gaslighting and excuses to justify huge cuts to our income. Wolves in sheep's clothing comes to mind! 😡
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Until MSM are made to tell the truth as it and with proof , then I cannot trust any media , the world is such a mess and I could tell a few truths about what really goes on in a few countries as I have friends and family who live in the heart of what is reported on MSM and its very different to the news we have to rely on. So if I want news about certain events going on in a few countries right now then I prefer to watch the live video's from friends . For me this is the truth. And when you consider every single main media outlet is owned by four separate people , then you start seeing why you can flick from channel to channel , source to source and see the exact same rhetoric .
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@noonebelieves thank you, I saw afterwards that someone had already helpfully posted the link to it so I was a bit 'late to the party' with that!
I saw your other detailed post re your own (health) situation and couldn't reply I'm sorry but I wanted to and could not for the life of me find it this morning. I am so very sorry though for everything you are going through it is quite shocking, very saddening and I am thinking of you with more empathy, it literally brought tears to my eyes and that such suffering can be borne yet you still give so much kind generosity and well thought help to everyone here.
I am not very good with pain (mard basically and phobic of injections) and this week was difficult. I stood up for c 8 hrs in total to write a complaint letter 6 pages so far but I'm leaving it to reconsider whether it's in my interest really to send it but I could barely walk because of standing and calves are still very painful. I'll look for your other post shortly so I don't go off topic here which I already have!
I hope that you have some days that are more bearable and that today is one of them. Take very good care ☺️
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It is worrying , because they took £300 off pensions for winter fuel allowance , they didn't back down . Will they just go ahead with the disability cuts without a care of the danger to MH claimants , who is going to care for MH claimants when they have next to nothing to live on ? where will they live when they get evicted ? I wonder if under the Equality act 2010 has protection and whether the government have considered this . I think the 4 point change needs to be challenged as it will make most lose daily living , then carers , its dangerous to us all who have MH and also physical disability too.
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This is disgusting. We are paying for them to be taught fantasy rhetoric to attack us with! So angry
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Has anyone heard anything about what charities and organisations are doing? Seems to have gone bit quiet especially on the wca front.
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I honestly never thought that I would be facing this nightmare in my early 60's and disabled.
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The Equalities act 2010 is PRIMARY legislation which means that it has to go through both houses before any changes can be made to it !
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I hear income based ESA won't get touched if been on it a while but unsure about the ramifications when it comes to reassessment when it comes to when entitlement ends etc.. Maybe we all panic about what hasn't happened yet or whether it will over the next year and a half but I still worry about those brown envelopes arrive.
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Thanks does that mean the amount people receive will stay same, would I need reassessment, does it affect pip. UC is same just housing benefit paid into it so have to organise standing order I think to pay it out of UC? Maybe I'm wrong it's all confusing. Thanks
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@Catherine21 I thought that too about stopping MR and then Tribunals - it came to my mind the minute Liz Kendall stated about calls being recorded.
I'll be recording any calls with them going forward myself.
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Thanks very much I'm unsure if I get lcwra, I find it overwhelming so all I can do is wait for the brown envelopes 😔
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I'm 61 this year , I can't hear well even with hearing aids in , I have agoraphobia , health phobia , sleep apnea , frightened of germs, so I doubt they will find me a job , unless they provide a tent so no germs can get me, also from surgery i have nerve damage , can't stand or sit for long , I don't think they are coming for me I don't know how old you are , but when my pip ends next year I will be nearly 62. I've never worked so no skills , no education , no confidence .
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I'm wondering whether that would be legal/what kind of legislation would be necessary to enable it. But honestly, with DLA I never had an assessment, because it wasn't needed. They had all the evidence and they reached a conclusion and it was painless. Whereas PIP they had an assessment and all my evidence (I recorded my assessment but it bears little resemblance to either the assessment report or the decision letter). MR was even worse. Tribunal was hellish but they did actually review my evidence and so awarded me the same as the DLA had years before. All that expense to the tax payer which could have been avoided by just shifting me from DLA to PIP equivalent with a check that nothing had changed.
This is what I would rather see done. People not needing to go to MR or tribunal because the job is done right the first time around.So many articles demonising neurodivergence of late. Some very hateful. There are also some articles claiming autistic people are least at risk, but this is garbage. Anyone with autism or ADHD who has claimed PIP has probably been through war to get it. There are countless people out there who tried but fell at the first hurdle because the assessment destroyed them :/
Every time a govt minister conflates PIP with ESA, I just want to scream. Understanding which benefit is which and what each one does is the baseline for trying to make changes. If you don't understand/want to understand the difference you shouldn't be 'amending' them, much less claiming it's moral. It's not moral to put 3.2 million people, mostly disabled people, into poverty.
Going to reiterate what I said before. Even if the questions on the consultation don't ask what you want to say, still fill it in. Add whatever you think they should know. They can refuse to ask but we should still take the opportunity to tell them :)
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I'd love at least one journalist/reporter/MP in WM to ask them to define the 'moral code' they insist they are following.
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