Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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but is it a money bill?
A money bill is a bill that in the opinion of the House of Commons Speaker is concerned only with national taxation, public money or loans.1 -
by reading this, the 4 point rule can’t be considered a money bill:
A Money Bill means a Public Bill which in the opinion of the Speaker of the House of Commons contains only provisions dealing with all or any of the following subjects, namely, the imposition, repeal, remission, alteration, or regulation of taxation; the imposition for the payment of debt or other financial purposes of charges on the Consolidated Fund, the National Loans Fund or on money provided by Parliament, or the variation or repeal of any such charges; supply; the appropriation, receipt, custody, issue or audit of accounts of public money; the raising or guarantee of any loan or the repayment thereof; or subordinate matters incidental to those subjects or any of them. In this subsection the expressions “taxation”, “public money”, and “loan” respectively do not include any taxation, money, or loan raised by local authorities or bodies for local purposes.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/money-bills/money-bills3 -
They will do anything they can get away with. We are worse than rubbish to them. People need to get out and protest and cause a problem. It is the only way they might listen.
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God what is the point if it all months upon months now this I really thought it would get watered down and ofcourse Charlie boy will agree that's it then
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Maybe starmer knows a loophole
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I remember this thing about a ‘money bill’ coming to light when they took away the extra money for LCW. The Lords stopped it initially but then the government said the Lords couldn’t do that as it was a money thing and the change went through
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Him and his lawyer mates will have covered every loophole to get this through.
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100%. Petitions, consultations and letters are useless. {Comment removed - uncivil language}
Charities being spineless and relying on backroom lobbying (that hasn't worked for many years now) is one reason the British left is in the state that it is.
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did you email their MP accounts or their APPG accounts? if its the former, that's why they fobbed you off.
if you feel comfortable naming the two MPs you contacted, that'd benefit everyone.
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reading further on this, it seems that the 4 point rule could be passed as a money law cause PIP is not part of National Insurance Fund, unlike ESA CB.
That’s how they managed to pass the winter fuel payment so quickly I believe.
However, I’m not sure if it contravenes the social security adm act 1992 and maybe it can be challenged in court that way?
In all cases if you pass it as a money bill you’ll have to say that it was because you wanted to reduce the deficit (the purpose of cutting public expenditure and reducing the budget deficit).
I don’t think it’s a clear cut when it comes to PIP
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I've just heard from my MP. She is opposed to the cuts and wants to meet me and others in our position, so although there's a list of only 27 MPs who have stated they will vote against the cuts, I reckon there's many more biding their time.
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I think so too.
I think having 27 already stating that they are opposing the cuts means that there are lots siting on the fence
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Another Lie? 🤔
“DWP ordered to correct 'entirely misleading' claim about universal credit claimants looking for work”(Courtesy: Big Issue, 01 Apr 2025)
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I think they are waiting for the green paper consultation to finish, then hopefully they will come out opposing the government.
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If they can pass PIP as a money bill, what about the lcw/ra can they abolish this as easy?
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hayesj@parliament.uk and sonia.kumar.mp@parliament.uk
I do not live in either constituency - so they will not deal with me
Those email addresses are all that they have !
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they aren’t part of National Insurance Fund, so as far as what I’ve read, yes.
Do they mention anything about this in the questions in the green paper consultation?
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Think have to accept its done deal the whole of The uk what labour are doing is shocking they don't value people going to be awful
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Why they bringing another green paper out
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What does this mean
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