Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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For 99.999999% of people, the state of the body "not a disease" means health and, therefore, the impossibility of classifying as disabled. Of course, you can organize a crusade to retrain society to use terminology that pleases you, but I'm afraid this is a failed undertaking from the start.
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I read they took it out 2023 tories did
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I read tories took out in 2023 your very kind helpful thankyou x
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So am I correct in thinking 2023 substantial risk was taken from esa and under uc there is no substantial risk so all passed on esa under substantial risk will be reassessed and highly likely put on lwc now I understand when they say thousands will lose when change to uc
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If this were true, there wouldn't have been such a shift towards the social rather than medical model of many disabilities and how they are described.
I think you are trying to build from straw here, or attempting to create conflict. Ultimately, autism is not a disease, it is a disability from birth. Falsely medicalising it to pacify the ignorant helps nobody.
Something that affects the state or function of the body may correlate to health, but even that does not equal disease. Just as certain medical conditions, even if long-term, are not considered disabilities under the Equalities Act . Since the EA acknowledges the difference between disease and disability, it's obviously not "my personal crusade" but fact. Disability can be medical, but can equally not be. And medical/disease can be disability but can equally not be.Also, what people believe should never supersede what is true. Society has taught us that lesson over and over, but we apparently haven't learnt it yet.
On the flipside, better research into whether autism or other ND conditions do or can have co-occurring medical implications is absolutely necessary. I just don't think that this has been stymied by the social model of disability - I think it's more that society is obsessed with social and behavioural symptoms to 'normalise' rather than support or help autistic people, and so most of the research money goes onto that - or onto the search for a 'cure'. (Which, as it is not medical, is a waste of money that could be spent on determining why autistic people often have shorter life expectancies, despite not having a life-limiting condition.)
But we're going off topic. Let's go back to the point, which is the cuts from the green paper and how best we should be combatting them.2 -
Take to the streets (and other forms of nonviolent direct action, just likw what disabled people did in the 1990s)
Help with backroom organising if you cant take to the streets,
Mutual aid networks, which includes getting involved in your local community
if you have money, donate to groups who are fighting
there's more, but those are some starting points
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I think that was a Tory idea that Labour haven't taken on. Stand to be corrected if I am wrong.
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That's great! 👍
I hope that makes you feel a bit more optimistic that there is more being done for us than you think to defend our rights. 😊
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I'm glad I could help to make you feel better! 🤗
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DPAC I believe is on the case regarding these proposed changes.💪
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Thank u.👍️
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You're welcome. 😊
Yes, that was the biggest, most high profile protest the DPAC have ever done (amongst many) since their they were founded in 2010.👏
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Thank you @bellatango
This actually doesn't surprise me at all but it is very encouraging to see! 🤗
The OBR are the ones to watch. They could make a great deal of difference to the outcome of these evil proposals.
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From an earlier DWP Impact Statement..
Title: The Employment and Support Allowance( Limited Capability for Work and Limited Capability for Work-Related Activity) (Amendment) Regulations 2011: Impact Assessment (IA)IA No: Date: 07/12/2010
A department-led review of the WCA identified a number of ways in which the WCA should be changed to make it a fairer and more accurate reflection of capability for work. As such, it is necessary to revise the WCA, as set out in the Employment and Support Allowance Regulations 2008 to give effect to these recommendations.
5. The main groups affected by these changes are:
− Individuals making new claims to ESA;
− Existing recipients of ESA (when they come up for repeat assessments). ESA is intended to be a temporary benefit for most customers. When the WCA is conducted, a health professional will advise on when they expect the individual’s condition to have improved or an individual to have adapted to their condition to the point where a return to work may be considered. This is used to advise the time at which they should have a repeat assessment. Most people are expected to have returned to being fit for work and moved off ESA within two years; and
− Existing recipients of incapacity benefits who will be reassessed using the WCA to see if they are eligible for ESA.
6. The main effect of the revised WCA is on physical function relating to better accounting for how an individual has adapted to their disability or condition. This means that where an individual has adapted to their condition the assessment will take account of this. For example, an individual may no longer be entitled to ESA if they cannot walk but can successfully use a manual wheelchair to mobilise. This is expected to increase the numbers of customers assessed as capable of work.
7. There has also been a widening of the ESA Support Group criteria mainly in mental function following the identification of areas where individuals might face severe functional limitation, specifically relating to:
− Receptive communication (currently only expressive/outgoing problems in the support group);
− Awareness of hazards;
− Coping with change;
− Coping with social engagement; and
− Appropriateness of behaviour with other people.
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I'm wondering how many MPs are active with their opposing, I hope all of them are interacting with those contacting them.
Sadly, my local Labour MP supports them and was proposing these sorts of cuts and rules back in 2013.
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There likely has been overdiagnosis in certain situations
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I know the previous government limited ESA (CB) based to one year if you weren't put into the support group.
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Or, perhaps, previously, there likely has been under-diagnosis in certain situations?
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True. I became physically disabled as a child. I was an adult before I was diagnosed.
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I found an excellent video ironically it was nothing to do with these reforms, but someone asking a LBC legal expert for advice on an employer refusing reasonable adjustments.
Surprise surprise it was revealed HR didnt care, and refused all requests, he was asked to prove disability after he had supplied proof already from GP and hospital.
Eye opening part was in all of the comments flooded with disabled workers have similar issues with their employers, many of them had lost their job because of it.
So DWP where are all these disabled friendly employers?
Sent the video link to my MP who is part of the DWP crew.4
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