Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)
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But if your only on CBESA/NEW style ESA and LCWRA then you should carry on on the standard wca until 2028
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I’m hoping it will be on the old rules but my review form had to be back in August last year, makes me wonder now if they’re waiting on the new rules before they assess me
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Oh apologies , I thought you were in the same boat as me .... CBESA/NEW STYLE....with LCWRA 😌....because wca won't be scrapped till 2028 my thinking is they would use that until pip takes over then we will all be at the mercy of the new pip criteria , god knows what will happen 🤦
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Mines in, mine ran out March this year but as they haven’t got round to assessing me it’s been extended until March next year, so any day I could have the assessment
Did you get re-rewarded pip on paper based assessment
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And Liz Kendall wants to reform Sick Notes also, Labour want to make it impossible to claim any form of incapacity orientated benefits.
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If they have so much power why are they waiting until 2028/9 , I wouldn't be surprised if all their plans are thrown out with them , I mean who will support the millions who lose their homes lose their health lose their carers ? I think its a matter of 'don't look there , look here ' while we are all worrying sick about their proposals , something more sinister is going on.
Just my thoughts of course I am just voicing them .
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When I first applied for PIP, I had two F2F assessments because apparently the assessor did not ask me enough questions during the 2 hour assessment. The second assessor only took half the time. DWP claimed they had no report from the first assessor so I did an SAR. Anyway, my claim eventually went to Tribunal. Their decision and that of the two assessors were all different, some giving me points in one place where others didn't. I even had enhanced from one assessor and not even enough points for standard by another. Thankfully Tribunal gave me enhanced on both. But it really highlighted how the system is not a good one because despite them supposedly following certain 'rules', it ends up just coming down to personal opinion and whether the assessor likes you or not.
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Hi @Catherine21,
I hear you, truly. Your words echo the fear, anger, and exhaustion many of us feel right now. It does feel so cruel and overwhelming, like we’ve been dehumanised and pushed to the brink, simply for needing support to live with dignity and uphold our rights . You’re right ….it takes unimaginable strength just to exist under the pressure we’ve been put under by these senseless Green paper proposals by the liebour crew.
Please know you’re not alone. I’m so so scared too, we all are, but like I said before, fear doesn’t mean silence due to losing hope .
As many have said on this thread-open and closed, this is exactly why the Government has been hyping these cuts since taking office in July 24 and then rushing to publish this proposal -to create fear and silence us.
If anything, it means we must speak even louder. This is why it’s so important that we all respond & oppose the Green Paper consultation individually - not just rely on charities &organisations to speak on our behalf. Every single response matters. That’s how we turn fear into action. That’s how we show them we’re watching, we’re resisting, and we won’t go quietly.
You’re absolutely right that time is short, and legal processes are slow. But they are not unstoppable. Public opposition on this scale, especially if it’s coming directly from disabled people ourselves, will be impossible to ignore forever. There are 16 million disabled people in this country…we are not a minority. And there is power in our collective voice.
Like they say on planes, put your own mask on first. That means making your voice heard in the consultation. Then support the charities and allies who are ready to take the fight further. It starts with us.
Catherine,You’ve already shown so much strength by writing how you feel. Please keep going. Keep speaking.Lets hold on to that glimmer of hope through justice!☀️
Best Wishes!
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We've been through this over and over and over again, if you can't work, you can't work.
There is no magic wand, no tooth fairy and no man in the moon, absolutely nothing can change that, if you legitimately, genuinely, medically verifiably can't work you can't work.
If Labour know that and the Tories which they do then what is all of this about? It's about money and Kendall/Starmer have also not ruled out making more cuts to welfare.
By linking PIP assessments to LCWRA and abolishing WCA people are going to lose LCWRA, the people who will lose the LCWRA will be expected to partake in training or job searching for a non-existent job which even if it existed you won't get when an employer would rather hire someone fit and able.
It sounds to me that all of these plans are done WITH THE INTENTION to cause harm and suffering. Labour's frontbench better have great handwash to wash all the blood off of their hands.
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I don't care what they think they are pushing through , they are putting human beings in danger and causing hardship , so something will be done . I said before they only have until 2029 and then another government will be in , most of their proposals are not effective until 2028/9 . They are demons and something is seriously not right with starmer, and a lot of them . All demons and I am not joking .
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We don't know, what I'm saying is when they merge LCWRA and PIP what will the WCA look like. Will it be the same or will they remove things so it will be harder for mental health claimants. That is what I won't to know. They don't provide that info in green paper, they only say you need 4 point in one descriptor in daily living. They have not told us how they are going to reduce 400,000 plus people from our money and they want to target mental health but how is what I want to know.
If they do not include mental health criteria or even reduce it or tell the WCA people to refuse mental health applicants then that will be against the law and that would be a problem for them won't it.
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Agree with your concerns @gamer1,and as many have stated , including me to you previously….. they have already proposed abolishing the WCAcompletely and even cunningly closed opinions for the live consultations. Your arguments are very unique, valid, and individualised, and you need to respond directly to the consultation and tear the government apart. Instead of reforming the whole process of how the WCA is being conducted, they have cleverly and deceitfully abolished the WCA…..in short, deprived disabled and vulnerable people of this vital support and raised the bar for PIP by introducing the 4-point daily living eligibility and aligning it to the UC health element in the future. This makes many, as you pointed out, ineligible for PIP . There is clear intent of cutting costs by the government …no matterWhichever way you look at it!
This entire Green Paper proposal is nothing other than a clear, calculated cost-cutting, deceiving stunt by the LIEbour government. They should be ashamed of labelling this as reform and blowing their own trumpet!!There’s noooo reform whatsoever in their senseless cost-cutting proposals.
As I’ve said in several of my earlier posts… please vent all your objections through the consultation by using personal examples . It will surely be impactful.Let’s not forget…we have the Equality Act and the Human Rights Act on our side.Sad that a government, in this day and age, in a country like the UK, can devastate the lives of 16 million disabled and vulnerable people, families , including children and dare to call it “MORAL”. Let’s fight this!!
Best Wishes!
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Thanks for your reply @noonebelieves
I am very confused with the green paper so let me just get some things clear.
If they are going to abolish WCA then how are they going to determine who is disabled?
There clearly is going to be some sort of WCA because they've added a 4 point descriptor to daily living, so PIP is still going to be used in some way. I was thinking abolishing the WCA meant the WCA for LCWRA.
They are planning to merge both and call it the health element, now my question was if they merge it then will they be fair with the new WCA and include both PIP and LCWRA descriptors because LCWRA is more inclusive to mental health and PIP to mobility. So my question was what will they do and what will the new WCA look like in the future they have not given us this info.
If you are saying they will remove the WCA completely for LCWRA and PIP, then how will they determine who needs benefits and who doesn't? They're not very clear about it.
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I think someone has already mentioned this upthread, but we really should encourage all of our able-bodied/mentally-well family and friends to apply for PIP this week.
We could do this to flood their already broken system, and buy some time to organise our fight.
We could go even further and encourage our elderly friends/family to make inappropriate applications just to overload their system even further.
Peaceful resistance to this horror.
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Ultimately any government in Britain cannot ignore the Human Rights act 1998 or the Equalities Act 2010 when it comes to welfare reform and or benefit cuts ect.
It doesn't matter if it's primary or secondary or money legislation, there will be some sort of legal proceedings against this Labour government and it's up to activists to make this not just a domestic issue but an issue of international concern.
Is it cope or hope? No, this saga has more mileage than the Labour and Tory frontbenches drooling at making the lives of disabled people worse. I don't care what "law" they'll push through, they pushed through the Rwanda migration law and it was binned because it was an ill thought of joke.
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Hi @catherine21,
Thank you for your response.
It’s clear from your post that despite your struggles, you are doing everything possible to get your voice heard through various channels, including directly through the live consultation. I really applaud your efforts . well done!!👏👏
I understand that the responses you or I may or may not have received might feel disheartening right now, but they are proof of the clear resistance from vulnerable and disabled people. One response might feel like a drop in the ocean of millions, but we may not see the full picture. I’m sure there are many others responding to these proposals already. All we can do is what we’re capable of -responding and encouraging others to do the same and
You’ve done incredibly well & empowered others to do so, Catherine.
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I agree with you we must all fight this as hard as we can however 16 million disabled people but only 3.2million who claim PIP or have been deemed disabled enough to get PIP, there is a crossover between PIP claimants and other benefits such as LCWRA and ESA so maybe a total of 4.5 million who claim benefits for their disability.
Some fall into the Attendance Allowance group and others simply don't claim anything or have claimed and been denied and some have disabilities which don't affect their lives to the extent of them needing to claim.
The newspapers love to say there are 16 million disabed without ever mentioning that only 1 quarter claim benefits, they make it seem as if all 16 million get benefits and saying that causes outrage among taxpayers who then imagine anybody who just feels a bit unwell can claim a benefit. It is classic manipulation tactics by the media and egged on by this horrible government to demonise and dehumanise disabled people.
I read a comment in a newspaper the other day about how this person was glad the government were doing this and then he said it might stop the freeloaders on the boats coming over. He actually thinks this move will stop illegal migration and was really happy about it and I have seen similar comments on other media such as YouTube. We are having to fight these sort of viewpoints. The media has caused much of this mindset and they will keep on doing it, with their belief of benefit tourism and the need to tighten up everything to make it as unattractive a proposition to come here, it is what the right wingers think will solve all the issues.
There is an insidious hatred to what they deem scroungers and if you have an invisible disability you get zero sympathy from these type of people you would literally need to be missing limbs or have brain injuries before they would consider you disabled enough to need help. The hatred is real and it is what scares me. We are becoming a society which doesn't feel that different from early 19.30's Germany with the demonisation of groups of people including their campaign against what they termed " useless eaters " it is a very scary situation for us all to go through and the media seem hellbent on causing division and outrage.
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Hi again @Catherine21,
I respect everyone’s choice to follow whatever they wish, including news sources. While I am still paying attention to what’s happening widely through the media, I am choosing to stay clear of speculative news that goes against my core values and drive .
I firmly stand by the fact that there is so much merit in the fight back from the vulnerable and disabled community against these baseless proposals. I trust that we have the power to challenge these legal norms, and in the best-case scenario, even change the laws. I will block out any news that steers me away from these values, especially under the current circumstances. What others choose to do is, of course, up to them. I hold no biases, although I do find myself sometimes falling victim to algorithmic assumptions about my interests, which, honestly, is not something I choose.
There is so much merit in the voices we’ve all shared in this thread, including yours and mine, shaped by our own unique experiences. It is truly compelling, and it strengthens our collective resolve to push forward.
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Agree.
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I’ve written to local MP (Liberal)
Andy McDonald MP to do with Spinal injuries as advised by benefits and work website.
Signed 4 different petitions
Filled in the consultation
Like everyone else I’m very pessimistic but a little bit of me hopes there is some semblance of humanity in the terrible trio of Starmer, Reeves and Kendall. Just trying to live in the now, can feel myself slipping into a dark place though.1
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