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"And speaking of sparks-I’ve got to shout out @MW123.That post you shared about how people’s voices have actually overturned decisions, even forced U-turns? That was a shot of pure motivation. You helped switch that light back on for many of us. Thank you for that jolt of truth and hope."
But she is wrong about the U-turn regarding the LCW component from ESA. It was cut, not delayed, watered down or not fully applied. Cancelled for disabled claimants through the 2016 reforms.
It's 'echo chambers' like this which propel misinformation. You too are using social media when you comment here, BTW, noonebelieves.
It's up to all of us to read the regulations and not rely on advice centres or charities to tell us half the story.
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Ross, "I thought the reassessments weren't starting until April or after April next year?"
Reassessments resumed in 2021 and will continue as they are under the 2016 reforms.
Anyone determined to be LCWRA before April 2026 then found again to be LCWRA following reassessment after April 2026 is guaranteed to see no reduction. Not a great concession when you remember there's no longer a component for LCW.
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Passerby, Adding this to the fact that she and Harriet Harman were the only two from Labour who voted for the Tories' child benefit cap in 2015. To me, this hinted that she had demonic stuff in-store for people on benefits.
Yes. I recently learned that Harriet Harman was Chair of EHRC when those measures were passed.
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DWP 7th April 2025 -
This is especially true following the abolition of a ‘middle rate’ (Work Related Activity Group payment) which means, since 2017, customers who are newly determined to have Limited Capability for Work (LCW) no longer receive an additional benefit amount,
How is there still any doubt about this…?
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Thank you, I really appreciate your kindness. It is good to know that there are people like you and loulou82 out there. Thank you once again.
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Thank you Catherine, I really appreciate your kind words. Thank you😊
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This is a disabled community, a space where many of us come for support, solidarity, and sometimes just a bit of hope when things feel overwhelming. That’s why I’ve been sharing examples of where public pressure, campaigning, and collective action have made a difference, not because I’m trying to rewrite history, but because I’m trying to prove a point: the government doesn’t always win.
Yes, some cuts have gone through. You’re absolutely right about the LCW component being removed for new ESA claimants. I’ve never denied that. But the bigger message I was trying to get across is that change is still possible, not always total victories, but real, tangible concessions that have protected thousands of people from worse outcomes.
When you tell people "there was no delay", "no watering down", "no U-turn", and that "outrage died down", it can come across, whether you mean it or not, as saying "resistance is pointless". But that’s not the message people here need right now. Many are scared about the future, about PIP changes, work requirements, and cuts to support. What they need to hear is that our voices can still matter, because they have before.
We should absolutely aim to be accurate and informed. But we also need to be careful not to discourage people from believing in their own power to push back. That’s not "echo chamber thinking", it’s about giving people a reason not to give up.
So yes, I was trying to prove a point, that even in dark times, public outrage, campaigning, and unity have made a difference. And they can again, if we stand together.
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Well, we're about ten years too late to start worrying! "Scaremongering" we were told when we tried to warn what was coming long before Labour took office.
"When you tell people "there was no delay", "no watering down", "no U-turn" -
MW, I was countering your words -"
The ESA WRAG cut? Delayed, watered down, and never applied to existing claimants because campaigners refused to give up.
Don't twist this. Your claims were wrong and needed to be corrected.
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Thank you so much for your kind words! I’m really glad to hear that my post helped reignite that spark of hope. It's easy to feel like we're up against too much, but moments like these remind us that our voices matter. We’ve seen how collective action can make a difference, and together, we can keep pushing for the change we need. Let's keep that light shining!
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I don't think Kendall, Reeves, Timms et al care whether Labour falls or whether they lose their seats. All they care about is keeping secret how IDS distorted the ESA regulations in 2011 and consolidated the 'new rules' with his 2012 Welfare Reform Act.
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Thank you again, @MW123.
I was actually having a tough day when I read your post. I’d just spoken to a friend from work who was feeling really low about the future-especially around PIP and all the uncertainty. I tried my best to reassure her, but I’ll be honest—some of the speculation we’ve all seen recently started to get to me too. For a moment, I found myself thinking, what’s the point?
And then I came across your post.
It genuinely shifted something in me. Since then, I’ve felt so much more hopeful, and I even shared the essence of your post with a few friends who were teetering on the edge of a mental health crisis. So yes, I meant every single word of my original reply.
Standing up together for our rights, against this government is always better than hiding away in fear.
As you said—let’s keep shining that light. 😊In solidarity,✊
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I'm sure you know more than myself @WhatThe about 'reforms' that didn't help some disabled people, particularly the removal of extra money for those that were found to be LCW since 3 April 2017; however, whilst we shouldn't forgive the past, we have to work with what we now know.
Yes, I would be one of those that didn't worry in 2017 as I didn't know enough then & it was only in that year that I first claimed PIP, & a couple of years before I joined Scope's online forum. I don't think I even knew then what UC was! I'm still learning about benefits other than PIP…
I wish to keep on understanding more, but currently I welcome the impetus found in this forum for looking at, & challenging the Govt's Green Paper. I've supported Scope & it's members for well over 5 years, & I'm not going to stop now.
As @MW123 says, & others here have already given their voice to this, we can only do our best in challenging this Green Paper, through Scope, etc. If we don't try, we'll get nowhere, & I feel we're all cognisant of the fact that we just 'may' also give a voice to those disabled people who are unable to do so themselves.
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I see you like my term @noonebelieves 🤗
If only WE COULD "put the world to rights" 🌍🙄 I'm sure we could make a much better job of it than the terrifying trio in Downing Street 👹🧛👺and the tangerine tyrant in the White House.🍊 😆 Oh, and we can't forget creepy turncoat Stephen Timms.🕷️
Seriously though, I know exactly what you mean about brain fog. Unless I stay ultra organised and have frequent reminders from my partner, I don't think that I would remember when any APPOINTMENT is! 🤔 I'm sorry that yours has been put off for a week. As if you need that when you're already in so much of pain anyway.😕
Wouldn't it be great if we could become someone else for a day. It would be The only way to escape from all those things that bedevil our lives, I'm afraid . 😢
I believe that we cope so well with the lives we've got because, well, we are used to it all. It's a simple as that.
We have had such a gut wrenching, all encompassing shock with the proposed cuts recently but they weren't a complete bolt out of the blue, were they? 🤔
It's very sadly become part of our lives to struggle with health conditions, limited income and horrendous treatment from government. We have to be sanguine and accepting of our situation or we wouldn't be able to carry on, to be blunt. I'm sorry to sound so downbeat but I'm sure that you'll understand what I'm saying. 😔
No wonder non disabled people are so horrified at what we have to go through. No wonder too that we can be so proud of all we are and achieve. 💪👌✊
With my Dad, it was long before Covid, in 2011. Your Dad's death is more recent than my Dad's was. My Mum died only three years ago at 89 of pneumonia, and I still get a milder version of that feeling of finality.
I find myself wishing I had her to talk to about the cuts. Then I immediately think, that she is at peace and I then feel glad that she will never have to know anything about it. She would have been absolutely horrified, that we have come to this in this supposedly democratic country. 😢
That really makes me realise just how bad this situation really is, not only for us but for our loved ones too. 😞
Those statistics that you shared with me, show the reality of our situation is at complete odds with the properganda circulated about us to deflect the blame from them to us to trick both disabled people and the public into accepting the cuts.
The truth is the greatest weapon we have to fight them. It's more powerful than even legal challenges are. It's a uphill struggle against gaslighting governmental goons though. As you say though, silence is not an option for us.
That means that we MUST keep going. We are probably changing much more than we know. ✊
I've thought to myself that even if they did a U turn on all their proposals, we would all never truly recover from this catastrophic act of cruelty. We would still have to help people to cope with the long term consequences of having to cope with this time, even if nothing came of the cuts. It is very sobering indeed to think about that. You're right, it is a form of violence, psychological violence.😞
That is interesting, what you've said about the Access to Work Scheme, inaccessible housing the NHS backlog and the other public services that have been neglected and cut to the bone.
It is done on purpose to show us that they think that our health and quality of life are not worth bothering about. This then feeds into the larger narrative that is meant to completely demoralise us, making us feel too worthless to speak up about it, whilst they give the impression that they are too powerful to challenge.
We must not fall for any of this. They are not as omnipitant as they make themselves appear and they are the ineffective ones who defraud public money and "take the mickey," 😒 not us. It's very upsetting but I truly is best NOT TO TAKE IT PERSONALLY.
You're right there, it is a matter of life and death. An unavoidable fight to survive. We make the jokes and have the tendancy to go over the same ground again and again because doing those things too is a way to cope. To survive.
Absolutely, I am enraged and I'm glad that my "fire" 🔥is so obvious. I think that anger can be very constructive if it is channeled in the right way. 😡 Much better than despairing which can cause you to give up the fight.
The urgency is there too. This consultantion, which is a sham and rotten to the core is being rushed, the government hoping that they can make it law before the truth gets out about what's REALLY being done to us. We must work so much harder to get the truth out there before it's too late!💪
Don't worry, I shall continue to be here, doing all I can to help. The way these cuts will affect my partner and I is serious but won't ruin our lives in the way that it will for so many disabled people. I cannot let them down, we must all have each other's backs. ✊ We DO deserve so much better, immeasurably so.
Thank again too for all you do for us, me included. 🙏👏
Do take care of yourself.
In solidarity. ✊
Juls 😊
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I was referring to the Remploy factories. The name lives on, but now they are a "welfare-to-work" provider.
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Hi @WhatThe,
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts
“And speaking of sparks-I’ve got to shout out @MW123.That post you shared about how people’s voices have actually overturned decisions, even forced U-turns? That was a shot of pure motivation. You helped switch that light back on for many of us. Thank you for that jolt of truth and hope."
Sorry, @whatthe - I think you may have misunderstood the reason why I wholeheartedly thanked @MW123. I just wanted to clarify that my message to @MW123 wasn’t about the LCW/ESA changes specifically. It was about the hope her post inspired-hope that our collective voices as disabled people still matter, especially in a climate where many of us feel silenced by the government’s current Pathways to Work Green Paper proposals. When inaccessible public consultations and confusing, non-inclusive proposals seem designed to shut out those most affected, messages like @MW123’s reminds us and gives us all hope that change is possible when we come together.
Moreover,I was on the verge of giving up, and @mw123 post rekindled a spark of hope and strength in our collective voice to benefit all of us (see my recent reply to @MW123).My appreciation was rooted in how the post reignited something in me and others—a sense that we’re not powerless. It had nothing to do with revisiting past ESA policies, but rather with how unified action and people power can still make an impact now. The way the government has handled the recent Pathways to Work proposals-by closing consultations on key issues many of us wanted to discuss, failing to engage with large parts of the disabled community(in every stage of the proposal), and limiting opportunities to respond in the public consultation —has been appalling,hurting, insulting,deeply concerning and discriminatory to disabled people. So yes, I truly and passionately meant it when I said @Mw123 words were a spark of hope in these dark times.
“You too are using social media when you comment here, BTW, noonebelieves.”
Regarding your point about social media-yes, you’re absolutely right. This is also a social media platform for our disability communities to openly share their views and support each other, without fear of being silenced or judged. But I want to stress that I try to use my voice here responsibly. I rely on information from trusted disability rights organisations and reputable sources to guide my understanding, and I always aim to share accurate and constructive information which has merit to my/our cause. I avoid sensationalism and do my best not to spread fear or confusion. I’ve often advised others to be cautious and avoid speculative information from the internet, especially as we’re all in a highly volatile situation caused by the difficult circumstances the government has placed us in. You can review all my previous posts . However, if anything I’ve posted has unintentionally caused harm or concern, I sincerely apologise and I’d be more than happy to ask the moderators to review and remove it.
We may not always see things the same way, but I believe we’re all here because we all care deeply about justice and dignity for disabled people. Right now, the government is threatening our rights, but we must remember that our collective voices matter. We can stand up against injustice-we live in a democratic country, and we are protected under the Equality Act 2010. That’s the common ground I want to stand on-with respect, clarity, and solidarity.
Best wishes
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I have been writing about the Green Paper and read it through and would also like to comment on one section.
The first part of her statement made bold statementts about how much helpn we are getting. (disabled "People")
But if you read it carefully it goes from investing £26 BILLION into the Health and Social Care System to help disabled people get better care and treatment, then goes on to miss out the disabled part and insert PEOPLE WHO ARE CLAIMING BENEFITS?
The £26 BILLION of extra funding is for HEALTH AND SOCIAL CARE SYSTEM so that "people" can get treatment they need? This is the worse statement I have ever heard since we have now grouped PEOPLE and DISABLED/NEURODIVERSANT people WHO ARE NOT NECESSARILY ON THE SAME WAITING LISTS, BUT ARE BEING ASSESSED BY DECISION MAKERS WHO ARE HIRED BY THE DWP TO GET DISABLED "PEOPLE" BACK INTO WORK.
These are TWO different groups of people on the waiting list. If they were in the same group then why hasn't the cost of living as a disabled person gone up by the same amount? Or, if they are already registered as disabled do they require another assessment for financial help?Why are most of the help given to "disabled people" comming from the NHS or Charities like Scope or Mind?
Why do we need to prove we are ill or disabled? Don't they trust the NHS to give a correct diagnosis of my disability?
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You’re welcome @Martinp.
Please look after yourself and remember we are here with you. We cannot be silenced-we wil fight for our rights and stand against these benefit cuts by the government with all our voices together, no matter what comes our way.
Together, we will be brave and stand firm in opposing these unjust proposals.In solidarity ✊
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I think everything going on with world leaders will come to a halt , I'm bored of it all . I believe our government are puppets , controlled and saying what their master tells them . Look at the reaction to the latest proposals , everyone in uproar . This is not the place for my thoughts though . But I've always suspected we are just watching a movie and the movie sucks , its like you cannot leave the theatre .
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By keeping on pushing back we are fighting for our lives so email contact as many mps charities as we can I emailed My mp 16 times and left two voice messages and emailed baroness the lot
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And we are in this together let's use all this knowledge make more plans
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