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  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,660 Championing
    edited April 2025

    MW, of course they are linked. I haven't suggested otherwise. This is about working-age, disabled claimants.

    You don't know what I'm talking about which is fine.

    Fight the PIP battle if that's something you know about. How the DWP twisted the Incapacity Benefit/Income Support/ESA reassessment rules matters more than ever or I wouldn't be doing this. What divided the Mental Health community 10 years ago didn't just go away.

    YOU are missing the point, now leave me be.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,660 Championing

    PIP 4-point rule…

    What I'm confused about is why, since I've joined the forum, p*ppy has advised members that supporting medical evidence wasn't necessary for a PIP application or renewal. It was and is. Members are now reporting scores of 2 across various descriptors and not many 4's.

    Was she misled by a source, I can't help but wonder? She vanished suddenly from the forum. I am suspicious by nature but everything the DWP has done to date is dodgy. It is a ginormous department and our safety net has been dismantled incrementally under Iain Duncan Smith's long reign in Parliament.

    With the advent of AI and move to digital Tribunal appeals, we need to act quickly. Getting those responsible arrested is the best suggestion so far.

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Community Member Posts: 415 Pioneering

    I don't think Labour are going to do well at the local elections. A lot of X users are asking people not to vote for them.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,660 Championing
    edited April 2025

    Iain Duncan Smith introduced ESA in 2008 then 'modified' the qualifying criteria in 2011. PIP and UC were introduced by his 2012 Welfare Reform Act.

    Out of the blue, in 2015, he spotted "a fundamental flaw" in the ESA regulations which necessitated yet more reform. Health assessments and reassessments are now conducted under 2016 rules minus a key substantial risk provision. ESA was rinsed by an omission of the all-important Oxford Comma! We were conned.

    His 2012 reforms were corrupt. We need to understand the problem to find a solution.

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Community Member Posts: 705 Championing

    @Catherine21

    They mentioned to email them if your MP wasn’t on the list. I’ve sent several emails, but I’ve never received a response from DPAC.

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Community Member Posts: 705 Championing

    @Catherine21,

    I’m really sorry to hear you haven’t received your ESA payment. They make life so difficult for us, don’t they? I hope it gets sorted soon. It might &be worth checking if there are any outstanding To-Do’s on your UC journal. Take care.

  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 994 Connected

    While my comments are contrevertial, I am not afraid to be heard, and heard I will.

    Because I am an activist in many other areas, I now find that where I was able to seperate things like the fight for the NHS and better working conditions, better, training at no cost to the Doctors and Nurses, (and when I say this I mean anyone taking or thinking of taking upp a career in the NHS) (Or care sector.) because even on this one point alone I could write enough to fill this forum.

    Who do disabled people depend on to get help for their disability/s? It is the government that decided to join the financial aspect of assessments by the NHS for MEDICAL TREATMENT with the financial aspect of FINANCES as to what we are ENTITLED TO, and what we will actually get AFTER ANOTHER ASSESSMENT BY PEOPLE HIRED BY THE DWP TO GET US BACK TO WORK ORR REDUCE, OR REMOVE BENEFITS, because we have been left with no support from a system they created.

    ADD to this people on long term sick, people who have suffered an injury or accident that has altered there normal way of working, this could be at one end the need for an amputation or the loss of sight, to after affects of the Pandemic.

    The idea of the "BENEFITS SYSTEM" IS TO support, THOSE THAT NEED SUPPORT. It is not about sending money to foreign aid, or saving one steel plant and not making the effort to save Port Talbot, even if the reports say that the "new" electric Arc furnace may be completed by 2026?

    Let me tell you a few home truths that you don't see: The plans for the new Electric Arc furnace have not been approved. They have not even put a spade in the ground yet because the government legislation has not told them how big it can be?

    There has only been a rough draft of costing and man power needed to run the "new" Furnace, but in the mean time they have closed the Coke ovens, closed all blast furnace production, and opened another blast furnace in Poland along side the FOUR THEY ALREAD HAVE MAKING FIVE IN TOTAL that could not product the same quality or the same tonnage as NUMBER FOUR ON A TICK OVER, since this was built 1/4 BIGGER WHEN IT WAS DONE IN 2012, and all ancillary machinery including extraction, turbines, fuel efficencies were demolished and replaced with STATE OF THE ARC EQUIPMENT. i KNOW BECAUSE i WAS 1 OF THE 8 ENGINEERS ON SITE. i WORKED WITH HEALTH AND SAFETY and you won't see my name on the accident sheets or records kept during the 3 months I was their, because it was ZERO. No recorded accidents after rewriting the Health and Safety, risk assessments and Method Statements and placing a ring around the plant that every person on site had to be accounted for.

    My point, there is nothing you cannot achieve if you sit down and look at the problem and discuss alternatives. Yes in some cases it may need cuts, but this would be because the service being provided DO NOT ADHERE TO THE RISK ASSESSMENTS OR METHOD STATEMENTS.

    In our case it is being assessed by a Company/s HIRED by the DWP and PIP to assess financial needs of the PERSON CLAIMING THE BENEFIT. Not only disability or sickness benefits BUT ALL BENEFITS.

    We are now being grouped into people (Able bodied) who the system has left unsupported for many years, and their answer to that was to close 800 JOB CENTERS? So who, now, takes the hit for their incompetence? WE DO, because we are easy targets.

    The pandemic changed alot of rules, not in our favour, but the government had to be seen to do something. Where are the Nightingale Hospitals now that could have been used by the NHS to geet people out of hospital and into care but not at the same level allowing other people to be treated?

    Where was the call for Doctors and Nurses and Care workers to "do their thing" unsupported by the government by being unable to supply the correct PPE WHEN IT WAS NEEDED. Rules were changed to relax the service industry, but now it seems that its time for us to pay the price. Enter Claire Rayner. How do you as an accountant change the legislation for care and treatment for Disabled and long term sick by having an assessment by hired guns?

    Why didn't you use this method in the Pandemic?

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering

    Almost 200 Labour MPs have a majority smaller than the number of recipients of personal independent payments in their constituencies!! 🤗

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/apr/14/electoral-wake-up-call-dozens-of-labour-mps-risk-losing-majorities-over-welfare-cuts?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

  • judie
    judie Community Member Posts: 339 Empowering

    @WhatThe I expect Poppy walked away from the forum due to the unfounded criticism she faced from clueless people. She hasn't disappeared, she's stepped back from a thankless task.

  • egister
    egister Posts: 1,110 Pioneering
  • charlie72
    charlie72 Community Member Posts: 259 Pioneering

    I did exactly what you did when my pip assessment was due last November, I refused a face to face and demanded a paper based one instead. I too quoted the equality act 2010 and about reasonable adjustments etc, I also stressed about traveling giving me panic attacks and PTSD, I was firm but fair witht them. To my surprise 2 weeks later i got a text saying my review was complete (paperbased) and was awarded an extra 2 years than i got last time.

    Like you say, standing up for yourself does and can work, DWP depend on making you feel frightened of them so they get their own way!!

  • sarah_lea12
    sarah_lea12 Community Member Posts: 442 Empowering

    It also includes carers allowance being taken away .

  • Hopeless
    Hopeless Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 1,013 Pioneering
    edited April 2025

    Finally got a reply from my Labour MP - he’s toeing the party line. Feel so disappointed in him. He’s new this time around - our usual MP retired.

    Did I read somewhere that responses are being collected? Can anyone point me in the right direction?

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Community Member Posts: 488 Empowering

    I get 10 points for not being able to travel to unfamiliar places so surely this is taken into consideration when asked to travel to unfamiliar places

  • charlie72
    charlie72 Community Member Posts: 259 Pioneering

    Id also get a letter from your GP too explaining your difficulties in traveling i.e, anxiety, trauma, or other issues that might affect you or make your condition worse. I would try ringing pip first before your review and ask for either a telephone or paperbased assessment, I think I got mine paperbased as this time I made sure I put in loads of evidence from my family, GP, kept a diary for 2 weeks showing how my condition affects me, got my brother to write a letter saying what he does for me, making meals, etc. If they have enough evidence, usually it will be paperbased, although now and again they might ring you just to claify a few points, but nothing like a full assessment.

    Try not to worry too much, I know that's easier said than done, but like you say, you had 10 points in one discriptor, that's 7 more than I had, so you should be fine, they can't make you have a face to face under the equality act 2010 if it puts you in danger and would cause you any harm.

  • bton1968
    bton1968 Community Member Posts: 156 Empowering

    i saw that …

    from ireland though …..

    are the changes effecting the people of ireland as well or are they like scotland and come under different legislation ?

  • bton1968
    bton1968 Community Member Posts: 156 Empowering
  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,660 Championing
    edited April 2025

    MW, IDS created the ESA migration rules is what I mean. He set up the Centre for Social Justice in 2004 and has worked hand-in-hand with DWP ever since. I still don't know anything about PIP, though!

    "No causal link was found" between the ESA regulations and claimant suicides in government-commissioned reviews of the WCA but that doesn't mean there wasn't one. It meant they hadn't found it. Professor Harrington has since told us that vital evidence was not made available to him. What a surprise!

    You skipped past the 'modified' ESA regs in 2011 that IDS snuck through without anyone noticing. The evidence is right there!

    Yes, the Oxford Comma was omitted in the Welfare Reform and Work Act 2016 and the evidence is also right there even if I'm the only one telling you this 🙄

    A welfare rights officer with 20 years experience of benefits advice didn't know what I was talking about or didn't believe me (same difference) but that hasn't stopped me trying to get the truth out.

    Now please, as I've already suggested, revisit those reforms then come back and tell me I'm wrong ok?

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