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  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 315 Championing

    In regards of the grammar situation, possibly it could be a trigger to the person, slightly off topic, my mother who is in her 70s is a stickler for grammar and good handwriting.

    There has to be a line in the sand though, people here do not care about grammar, there's bigger, massive barracuda type fish to fry.

  • Mysteriouskitten
    Mysteriouskitten Community Member Posts: 40 Empowering

    Just found this on benefitsandwork.co.uk. the survey on how we spend out pip is apparently being sent out. It says DO NOT fill it in as its none of their business

    https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2025/04/17/dwp-pip-survey/

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering

    @chiarieds

    There is no need to answer my post in that way. I said time and again that I wasn't criticising you, that I agreed with your point and I think that you are quite capable of understanding the article!!

    I was just trying to say that the news in that article was a positive development and concertrating on what one negative MP had to say at the end meant that someone else reading your post might be put off reading the article as they thought it was bad news.

    Out of consideration to your feelings, I did not want to put it that way and did my very best to be as respectful as possible to you.

    I thought that you would understand what I was trying to say. Perhaps I expected too much of you as there are so many good genuine people on this community.

    We are all trying to cope with so much with these sadistic proposals that negativity especially where there is good news is surely not the way to go.

    There are utterly desperate people on this community watching their lives being destroyed so surely it makes sense to be as positive and sensitive as we can on here and although we can't get rid of the negative, we must try to do our best to get it into perspective.

    I was just very concerned that this was how it appeared. If you thought I was interfering it's only because it is so heartbreaking to see all the abject misery that members are going through on this thread and others too.

    Well, whatever you've written about me is your opinion. It looks as I will just have to keep doing what I can on this community, which I will undoubtedly continue to do, in the most respectful and encouraging way I can.

    It was just a matter of time before I would come across this sort of situation, I was ready for it and it will not put me off. I've seen it now and will see it again. I'm just glad that the vast majority of the people on this community are so understanding and flexible in their attitude to others on here. I've only had positive to very positive feedback to my posts even when interventing in something that's happening.

    We need to support and encourage others on this community because we've probably never been so in need of it. There is enough negativity already from the government. It is vital that we keep negativity on the community to a minimum, as so many are coping so badly with this nightmare that none of us can wake up from.

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering

    Hi @Catherine21

    I know that the Tories will all vote for the proposals but what I was saying is that the Labour government will be considering their party unity which is unconnected to how the Conservative Party will vote.

    If they do not present a united front to the country, they could all find themselves in a very bad position. We are not the only people who loathe them.

    They have already done so much damage to all sorts of people in this country and they are all sick of high taxes, their jobs being at risk and callous, badly thought out policies, harming all of us, even if they are not being harmed as badly as we are.

    They know we have had enough of them looking after the wealthy and big corporations while making ordinary peoples lives miserable by making everyone poorer. They now know how deeply unpopular they are so they've come to the point that they will be more respectful of us all. 👍 😊

  • egister
    egister Posts: 1,110 Pioneering

    Politics in Great Britain works exactly like in any other country - the ruling classes rule, for others there are decorations like totalitarianism, democracy, monarchy and so on. That is, the influence of the people on the authorities is very limited in any country.

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering

    Hi @sarah_lea12

    You're very welcome. 😊 I agree politics IS complecated, it was not simple explaining that either!!

  • Mysteriouskitten
    Mysteriouskitten Community Member Posts: 40 Empowering

    They really are devious, and diabolical. Mines going in the bin if I get one, just hope others can see its just trickery and bin theirs. They are obsessed with making us all destitute one way or another. I'm sick of them

  • michael57
    michael57 Community Member Posts: 2,830 Championing

    you could always lie on your answers not that i am insinuating people do then buy a nice new plant for the garden 😀

  • Mysteriouskitten
    Mysteriouskitten Community Member Posts: 40 Empowering

    No voting in my area this year either. I think he only came because they are on Easter break, looking desperate if you ask me, trying to act like they really care about the community. I've voted Labour all my life. Never again.

  • egister
    egister Posts: 1,110 Pioneering

    In school in ancient times I argued with teachers that handwriting is not important because people will type on computers. And who was right - the schoolboy or the wise teachers?)

  • Mysteriouskitten
    Mysteriouskitten Community Member Posts: 40 Empowering

    Well I live near a load of farmers, OAPs and obviously there will be sick and disabled round here. So I can only imagine what other responses he's had when knocking on their door. He did look a bit shook up after his rounds lol. Think he went home after he came here😁🤣

  • judie
    judie Community Member Posts: 339 Empowering

    I replied to that quote by the MP too, it was a most triggering thing to say. @chiarieds was right to point it out. I won't repeat myself but see earlier post. Ignoring it diminishes what we are fighting for.

  • egister
    egister Posts: 1,110 Pioneering

    In my opinion, it is necessary to write not only to MP, but also to corporations that directly or indirectly benefit from reducing payments to disabled people.

  • egister
    egister Posts: 1,110 Pioneering
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    Think about it, why doesn't the government "allow" all forms of even non-violent protest?
    Obviously, what is allowed is something that has no actual impact. Maybe we should also think about other methods of getting our opinions across to the authorities? Regarding the UK parliamentary system - it's scary that MPs in parties cannot vote as they choose and are subordinate to the top, although it is the number of MPs that chooses the Prime Minister.

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Community Member Posts: 705 Championing

    Wow @MW123, thank you so much for such a sharp and thoughtful analysis-honestly, you’ve helped me see this whole thing even more clearly(as you’ve done with many other issues). Your take isn’t cynical at all; it’s such  a credible and powerful breakdown of what’s really going on here.


    That phrase “creating an illusion” really stuck with me. This entire green paper proposal and the non-inclusive consultation process does feel like smoke and mirrors, doesn’t it? That link(I call it the Trap😳) in the email is steering( or luring ) disabled people—into a tightly controlled and pre-scripted process by the Government , leaving little room for genuine input or dialogue. Even some of my disabled colleagues have unknowingly followed that link, believing it was a genuine way to contribute.


    And your line—“waiting for an invisible person to vacate a seat that was never there”-just says it all. It’s like a performative political theatre of inclusion, where the stage was never actually built for us.

    To all
    While this sadly unsurprising experience reminds us to stay vigilant and never take anything said by the government at face value, I also believe we must hold on to HOPE and keep pushing back. 

    For me, like many others, this proposal will deeply affect my wellbeing, my family, and our future-if it’s allowed to go ahead.  I’m

    I’ve had to keep my fears and anxieties at bay and find the courage to be brave-and that’s what pushed me to step out of my comfort zone. I’ve never been active on social media before, but I created a Bluesky account(with a close up profile photo💥)today and shared my story publicly, even tagging my MP💪🏼. It’s so scary, but I felt I had no choice. 

    We can’t afford to stay silent or let fear hold us back.


    Let’s keep encouraging each other to speak up, stay aware, and fight this on all fronts.  MW123-Your words, wisdom and support mean a lot-not just to me, but to so many of us in this community.

    With respect and Solidarity ✊

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,660 Championing
    edited April 2025

    Google CRACKING THE WHIP: THE UK’S PARTY CONTROL SYSTEM - the Constitution Society

    (Angela Raynor was Labour's Chief Whip during the passage of the 2015 Welfare Reform and Work Bill)

  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 994 Connected

    MY CASE IS A CASE AGAINST THE SECRETARY OF STATE:

    I have used my self and the system as it has been applied to me since 1998 and probably before when I first became registered as disabled.

    In those days the WCA and the assessment process was completed by ATOS who when I managed to get them to court for the number of Re-works of the Assessments completed by them far out weighed the number getting it right first time.

    If you also remember there was a program on like under cover Boss, but this was a "new" guy wanting to get into the assessment of "people" and was hired by the DWP to help with the back log. "Or so they thought"

    They paired him up with the "best" and who was at that time getting £850 for a simple assessment and then getting £250+ for extra work if they did ask for a rework or MR.

    His words " you can make your self some serious money if you want, no questions asked." all I do is look at the paperwork sent in at home do the assessment at home which takes about 10 or 15 minutes make them an offer of a reduced rate or a possibality that what you offer if looked at to closley may go down if viewed by another assessor that is harder than me. Most accept, but I still put in another request for re-work, so I make about £1200 a claim and complete about 10 a day.

    The day before ATOS were to appear they jacked in the contract to assess, you also have to remember who hired them.

    They had to buy out of the contract to give the contract back for AN UNDISCLOSED AMOUNT? BUT STILL HELD ONTO THE LIMA SYSTEM and just in my eyes rebranded.

    LIMA for those that do not know is Logic Intergrated Medical Access. Its a series of questions with a series of answers given by QUALIFIED DOCTORS AND SURGEONS, where there could be 3 to 5 answers to the question depending on the severity of the condition.

    Where it comes unstuck is the people that use the system may have been qualified in something medical. But the Charter and the Law states that the people completing the assessment MUST BE ON THE BRITISH MEDICAL REGISTER AT THE TIME OF THE ASSESSMENT and MUST SHOW AN I D WITH THEIR PICTURE AND REGISTRATION NUMBER ON IT BEFORE THE ASSESSMENT BEGINS.

    This is covered in the Bond Solon Rules Part 35 Section 2 where there are 10 sections just to this part that would not allow an assessor or any government department to use this.

    This was why when being assessed in the early stages I asked for th Medical Report to be sent to my GP so that their assessment can be placed onto my Medical History along side my assessments completed by the NHS.

    Fast forward 8 years and about another 6 assessments, Ian dunken Smith, in getting him to court he resigned the day before, saying his heart was telling him one thing and he was being told to do something else?

    appearances in the upper Tribunal caused the 2008 Social Security Act to be written, and again in 2009, 2010 and 2011 where the upper Tribunal forced the DWP to relook at Thousands of assessments and there was a scramble to rewrite Acts and Laws that governed the Social Security Act, Human Rights Act, Data Protection Act, all around that time, since in refusing to accept an assessment completed by Capita, Concentrix, ATOS or Maximus who were now on the scene with the Universal Credit Program to save money in Admin by combining 6 different benefits into one where a CENTRAL COMPUTER WILL HAVE YOUR INFORMATION ON IT and any government benefit department that required information about you could get that from this computer.

    RIGHT? WRONG, every assessment or requirement from a government department that needs to know about you to access this computer MUST ASK PERMISSION BEFORE ACCESSING THIS INFORMATION. THIS IS THE DATA PROTECTION ACT.

    So in plain english they reworked the paperwork so that when you give permission in one form they worded it so that you gave permission to others to also access it by saying, We will only use this information if when applying for benefits another department may require this same information. For Instance Housing Benefit when applying for a bridging loan. If you history of payments are rubbish then your not going to get one.

    Or applying for housing reduction or council tax reduction. ON EACH OCCASSION THEY HAVE TO ASK YOUR PERMISSION, including access to your medical files.

    My case next week is to claim compensation for the repeated errors to me and my family, and the people I represent, and to make sure that Tribunal Results and judges directions are upheld and that amendments made to the Benefit are legally logged, so that conversations later after a year or two don't alter the original agreement.

    Oh we always do this when you are comming to the end of your certificate (a 3 year certificate issued, and then reassessed after 1 year and 2 month?) the charter is spacific, it states that if any changes to you or your medication that can affect the original out come must be reported, but it also states that we may contact you 3 MONTHS before the end date, just to ask some preliminary questions prior to sending out another claim form or appointment review.

    Once you answer with more or less information it gives them a chance to review your case and start a fresh claim.

    There are lots more, but needless to say I am expecting the DWP to try again the 11th Hour call to settle out of court, but I have covered this like last time where they contacted the court not me to say they WILL BE MAKING ME AN OFFER. THIS GOES AGAINST THE JUDGES DIRECTION TO APPEAR, THE TIME RESTRAINTS SET IN LAW AND BY THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, i DID NOT RECEIVE THE AMENDMENTS TO THE FILES where they committed fraud, forged my signature on a document, and rewrote some of my medical history, (I was in hospital having Bi-lateral Knee replacements) and an assessor came to the hospital to see if I was their just before going into the operating theatre, that all the assessors I saw never showed me a name tag, and when asking one from Capita who came to my home, he assaulted me, because I would not let him in my home but was persuaded by my wife to let him in, after 10 minutes he asked me to look on the medical register which I was already doing and I showed him the result of him not being allowed to assess until he finished his formal training which was started 3 years before and NEVER COMPLETED OR SIGNED TO SAY HE COULD ASSESS, he slammed the computer down on m,y fingers and almost took the front door off the hinges including the front gate.

    But other wise its a pretty straight forward case. More open and shut if you will excuse the pun.

  • worried33
    worried33 Community Member Posts: 1,054 Championing

    Ahh a career politician, hate them. Did she even have a local link, or got parachuted in like most of them?

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Community Member Posts: 705 Championing

     Anyone Living with ME/CFS:


    Please email your case study/experience now to

    info@stripylightbulb.com
    (It can be anonymised if necessary)


    Please see this link for detailed guidance 


    The time to act is now. 

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