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They're evil undiluted.

Yep, even the Tories were better than Keir Starmer and his clowns.

As the above article in the Guardian discussed it, they're now reviewing the winter fuel payment to give some concessions to the pensioners, to play divide and conquer and get the pensioners out of their way!

Let me address your two enquiries, as they seem to have been stressing you out a lot.

1. Ending reassessments for people with LCWRA, with the exception for a tiny number of cases, was the last Tory government's proposal.

Keir Starmer and his clowns have opted for the opposite direction. They've said that not only "will they reintroduce reassessments for incapacity benefits (or LCWRA as many people call it), with exceptions for those who will never work and those under special rules for end-of-life care, but also there will be an increase in Face-to-Face Assessments for both PIP and the WCA."

Bear in mind, this is not my opinion but is right from the mouth of Liz Kendall during her speech in the parliament on 18th March 2025, and it's also clearly stated in the damn Green Paper.

2. As for whether someone who previously scored 4 points on one descriptor in the Daily Living component and whose health conditions haven't changed since could get again 4 points or keep their previous 4 points score upon reassessment, I'm afraid a considerable number of cases in which people have been downgraded from their previous 4 points score and some have even been given 0 points upon reassessment have been reported both on this forum and Benefits & Work. The last case that I've read in this regard was just last night and on this very forum - someone who previously scored 4 points on one descriptor and who has very recently been awarded zero points all the way from 4 points! And this person was even awarded their 4 points score upon appeal!

No one is safe. Their wicked plan is to cut benefits to as many claimants as possible. Tomorrow's EuroMillions' jackpot is £93 millions. Make sure you win it!

I think you're right . I won't say why I think this because my thoughts would be considered conspiracy lol .

So that's it then, labour will not reinstate the winter fuel payments, so what are the chances they'll U turn on the welfare cuts?

Is there any hope? I feel myself sinking further and further each day, this is all consuming, it's all I can think of. I feel nothing but despair at this point. How can they do this to us? How can, under so much opposition they stick firm to their plans? I just can't believe what is happening.

Is all hope now gone?

apparently on an interview on tv this morning. They seem to have a death wish for Labour as once stories of disabled people dying or left destitute come out they’ll be finished as a party .

I think different news outlets saying different things. Daily express saying they’ve ruled it out but guardian headlines saying different. I can’t read fully the guardian as I’m not subscribed. With starmer you can’t predict anything. Before the election he flipped flopped according to what made him look better.

Wow you put this so well and you're 100% right. I'm incredibly anxious about this 4 point thing and the getting rid of ESA I'm on contributions based support group. I'm just starting to think about trying to find a way to work for myself doing very minimal stuff as and when I have an hour I can cope. That in itself is overwhelming, but to imagine that I'll have to completely replace my pip and ESA income with this work is impossible. Yet I struggle because of not only my health but my neuro diversity to explain my struggles and for them to agree with them on my reviews. Last time I had to fight to get my same award, and still I don't score 4 in a single category just 12 overall. It's obvious they're rewarded or pushed to not give us anything already as even doctors notes were ignored. So goodness knows what will be implemented now to ensure nobody scores a 4. We apparently earn too much to get UC because of my husband's work (the only wage earner who's had to sacrifice his own health to be able to work a long distance from home to earn enough to cover the bills etc alone) plus as my ESA is contributions based they class it as income which pushes us over the UC limit. They already migrated us despite us having three kids under 18 at the time which I was sure wasn't being done yet. We should have had protection too but not only did they say we suddenly earned too much but they stopped my severe disability immediately too. So we've already lost over £340 monthly in the last 18 months. That was my severe disability money as it came via tax credits.

If we lose my pip and ESA, it won't just be my independence affected it will be my children's and husband's too. I'll need more support from them, I'll not have the funds to even begin to afford all the medication, dressings, supplies and other things I need each month so my health will inevitably get worse. Instead of being able to manage to start working again the odd hour I'll be unable to as I can't afford the things I need to stay at the rubbish level I'm even at now, let alone improve.

They're not just punishing us for something out of our control by removing our support they are doing the same to those we live with too.

doesn’t the 4 point rule only affect the care element though ? So those of us on care and mobility will still get mobility but lose care unless we get a care 4? Point descriptor . I actually should have had 4 points last assessment but got a 2 . Next time I’ll go to tribunal as will about a million others . That’s where their savings will go.

I have ME and fibromyalgia. I’m house /bed bound most of the time . There’s no cure , not even streeting can cure ME. Going to my local shop once a week gives me PEM as over exertion is dangerous . I currently don’t get a 4 point descriptor though I should have last assessment. What will they do with me ?