Green Paper Related Discussions

You said:

"I read once gained settled status they can also claim benefits such as uc and maybe pip I don’t know. As you say getting us to do their jobs would be killing two birds with one stone and maybe that’s why the uc basic uplift ."

I have settled status which you get after 5 years of living in the UK.

I also get UC/LCWRA and PIP.

And now what? You're telling me: "go back to your country!!!" because I can no longer do "their job"?

I haven’t told you to do anything I simply made the point that according to government figures there are 1 million immigrants on benefits and perhaps that’s another reason for cuts as he knows he won’t cut immigration so in order to keep the rise in benefit claimants down he has to make it harder to claim .

… so, I don't understand this government's policy on immigration.

I am an EU expat myself, but when I came here 20 years ago, the rules were clear:

work permit but no benefits from 2004 to 2011, i.e. 7 years.

I don't know on what basis immigrants receive benefits now.

But remember that "settled status" and "immigrant status" are 2 different things.

I don’t know myself it was simply a conversation which it was considered is there a correlation between the green paper on benefits and the white paper on immigration and are they some how connected. I’ve no idea if Starmer has a real plan and is just two faced or if he’s very stupid and out of his depth like reeves . But something isn’t right as people don’t change overnight like he claims to have done .

I doubt he has any plan.

I'll tell you from my point of view, when I came here I was simply shocked, in this country you get benefits even "for breathing" but that's a different matter. 

This is all the result of the idiotic decision on Brexit. They got rid of workers from Europe who came here to work not for benefits.

They thought that they were forcing citizens to do the work that emigrants did. It doesn't work like that.

20 years ago I left my country to make a living. Now emigrants are coming to my country to work, because locals don't want to do low-paid and hard work anymore, because the country has developed.

That's how it was and will be. But they think that they will close the border and force people to work by starvation, healthy or disabled. It will take decades to change that.

Thank you @MW123 I know my rights, I could have applied for citizenship 15 years ago, but the price of a book called a passport, over 1000 pounds, discouraged me from doing so. I preferred to spend this money on my children.

Here absurdity follows absurdity. Living here I have the same rights as a British citizen except that I cannot vote in general elections.

Additionally, on my European passport I can live and work in all of Europe without restrictions. Where does a British person need a visa. My God, what has it come to?

Just watched disability talk with Steve . He shows an interview with that odious man Sir snake Timms who claims due to the previous government people aspire to claim LCWRA . Then he went on to say they need to get control of pip so it can continue for those who need it past short term . To me it came across as though they’re playing the disabled off against each other . Some aren’t as deserving as others and if it’s not stopped the people who “ really” need pip won’t get it . I think perhaps damage control after his previous interview in the mirror.

From the Rightsnet site

FOI response shows impacts of proposed new ‘four-point’ PIP rule by age group and gender

Further details of the impact of the proposed PIP 'four-point' rule are included in a new FOI response for the DWP that includes details of the number of claimants in receipt of the PIP daily living component split by age and gender:

Age:

• in January 2025 there were 1,307,000 male claimants, of which 507,000 (39 per cent) were awarded less than 4 points in all daily living activities, and therefore be affected by changes to the PIP rules outlined in the Pathways to Work Green Paper; and
• there were 1,507,000 female claimants, of which 818,000 (52 per cent) were awarded less than 4 points in all daily living activities.

Gender:

• the 16-19 age group, with 175,000 claimants in receipt of the daily living component in January 2025, had the lowest number and percentage of total caseload that will lose out under the PIP 'four-point' change (11,000 or 6 per cent of the total current daily living caseload);
• the 50-59 age group had the highest number of claimants in receipt of the daily living component (776,000), and 56 per cent of these (461,000) will lose entitlement under the new 'four-point' rule; and
• the 60+ group had the highest proportion of losers (58 per cent), where 328,000 of the total caseload of 569,000 would lose entitlement.

NB - the FOI also provides a breakdown of the volume of claimants in receipt of the PIP daily living component split by local authority and the proportion awarded less than 4 points in all daily living activities.

More: FOI: Numbers of claimants of PIP who have less than 4 points in any one category

See also:

• Further FOI response from the DWP on numbers that could be affected by proposed new ‘four-point’ PIP rule
• Advisers warn of ‘potentially horrendous’ and ‘catastrophic’ impact of government’s proposed change to PIP rules
• Benefits and Work: Most at risk PIP health conditions revealed

https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/now/post/63025