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Thank you Jul. Imagine being one of the MPs who lost the whip for voting against this and then the government admits it was wrong. For MPs now , unless there’s a u turn, they must be thinking is it worth supporting the government to vote for disability cuts only for them to u turn at a later date. MPs voting for cuts will lose their seats at the next election but starmer comes out of it looking better after another u turn.
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The Howling Catherine , trust you to slip in a horror film there 😀
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If the email sender was really sure about this, I think they would've rather contacted mainstream media outlets that would be interested in this, such as the Guardian, and tell them on condition of anonymity.
On second thought, analysing it from a number of angles, I really doubt the veracity of the claim of the purported email.
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One of the drawbacks of the internet is that it has created and provided a platform to all sort of self-styled experts who want to lecture others on anything and everything.
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Apparently the YouTuber used to work at the dwp and has contacts there so whether that’s why he gets emails. Something within the email about how the dwp work was confirmed as true by Rich the content creator. But obviously the whistleblower is anonymous so it can’t be verified and if true I imagine would be unlawful to bring forward rules not yet legally binding. But nothing would surprise me with this government.
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"But nothing would surprise me with this government."
Nothing would surprise me with Liz Kendall in particular, as, according to herself, she has been dreaming of holding her current post for ages obviously to make us life miserable.
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It's actually been a fact for quite sometime now that the Labour leadership relaxed the voting conditions so that Labour MPs can abstain from voting.
From what I can gather, it's a good proportion of the MPs against the cuts. It really isn't the way to go on though but at least it's better than being under pressure to vote for the cuts or you get suspended from parts of their job as MPs.
Better to have an abstaining MP than one that feels forced to vote through something their not happy about.
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Even abstaining they deserve to lose their seats imo. They’re either for us or they aren’t. I can’t remember where I heard or read it ( brain fog 😩) but someone basically said if given a free vote all Labour would vote against cuts. I’m praying though atheist that it doesn’t even get to the voting stage . 🤞🙏
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She is demonic , truly demented. I’m sick of seeing her face contorted full of hatred over the sick and disabled claiming a paltry sum which they have the cheek to compare to pocket money . It is pocket money to them as they claim a lot more in expenses than we can dream of . I actually wouldn’t put it passed her to tell the dwp to test it out ready on claimants though I doubt it’s enforceable yet. My reviews due next Feb and I haven’t received a form yet . Not sure whether to contact them or leave it be . I’ve heard they’re now giving extensions before the review forms even sent out but I can’t confirm that’s true .
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Keir Starmer and his clowns are hell-bent on cutting the miserable benefits which sick and disabled people are surviving on, while it's handing 4% pay rise to others!
This is not fair at all!
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If Keir Starmer and his clowns know that it would be voted down, which is easy for them to know in advance, they won't take it to Commons for vote. They would only take it to the Commons when they're sure that it would get through.
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Given how little front line public service workers of any kind get paid for their work (and teachers do a lot of work over the hours they are paid), it is really not helpful to target them as getting something because disabled people are in a bad situation.
It's also perfectly possible some of those teachers, or teaching assistants are disabled people in this community (and no, I'm not one, but it's still possible).
4% pay rises for front line politicians might be obscene. There are people in teaching who are struggling financially. There are also teachers paying out of their own pocket to support kids and families with food and other things where actual provision breaks down. And you're also ignoring how many years public sector workers had their pay frozen by government despite inflation.
I actually came on here to say that it's interesting how they give a free vote to MPs on the moral right to die with dignity, but not the right to live with dignity. It's also a shame the MSM aren't more interested in the disability story, just in general. Aside the Guardian, and ITV, nobody really seems interested. Even the story about the DWP findings the other day disappeared off the BBC within a few hours.4 -
If they're not happy about it, they should express it by voting against it and not by zipping it up. Abstaining for us is equal to voting for the damn proposals.
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I'm happy with offering a pay rise to other categories of people, particularly teaching assistants who earn ridiculous wages, as those on term-time only contracts earn less than the National Living Wage. But I'm not happy with cutting 50% from the health element for new claimants of sickness benefit, or tightening the assessment criteria to cut benefits to as many claimants as possible and let them become destitute and homeless.
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I wonder if they’ll delay it and do a proper impact assessment to please the rebels, though of course they know how many will be affected already. We can but hope it doesn’t go through
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I was just referring to the lesser of the two evils really. As I was writing it I was thinking myself that any MP who doesn't vote in our favour doesn't deserve their seat.
As about 200 of them have a majority smaller than the number of PIP claimants they have, in each of their constituencies, we can give them the order of the boot at the GE, in fact, we can give them a bloody nose sooner at the Local Elections in May next year.
It covers a lot more of the country than it has this year and we will be able to do a lot of damage to them, six months before the PIP 4 point law comes out in November 2026.
I agree, the voting system in in parliament isn't fair but the leadership have it rigged to their benefit like everything else. 😒
I really do hope that it doesn't get to the voting stage either, that the rebellion will be big enough to postpone it until we have been allowed a consulation that will take all our views into consideration and that nothing more will happen until MPs can give a verdict on the impact assessment from the OBR in October.
Those will make things quite a bit easier for us. That's, of course why they wanted to avoid doing those two things in the first place.
I believe it's the best we can hope for, I'm very doubtful that they will do a complete U turn. Starmer, Kendall and Co are too evil and stubborn. They will not want to lose face or look weak.
However, I do think that things are going more and more our way and will stay that way too. We have a awful lot of allies and what good news it is that the Work and Pensions Committee are on our side now as they are so influential! 😊 It's very possible that a lot more MPs will vote against the cuts because of it. ✊
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Because I said it, doesn't mean I approve of it. Far from it. I believe that taking a cowardly way out like that is utterly irresponsible and they should be punished by voting them out at the next GE and giving them a bloody nose next year in the Local Elections.
They will cover a lot more of the country than the ones this year did. 🤗 Remember that there will still be six months after those elections, in May next year before the PIP 4 point law comes about in the November!
Any MP who abstains in the parliamentary vote should be treated like those who intend to vote for the proposals. They need to be booted out of their highly paid, all perks included job. 😡
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Oh I'm sorry to hear that it's alot to process after four year wait be gentle with yourself I hope you have good support I know you do with your fabulous doggies take day by day and we are always here for you big hugs xx
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HhHhh oh yes I'd make one especially for downing street spinoff American werewolf in London!! The hardest part of all this is having no control i relize I have to have some sort of control of my life on a daily basis to keep myself safe if that makes sense my protective bubble been burst actually if I was a film director I would cast of labour after the muppet show oh or spitting image where they did puppets of Maggie thatcher imagine if they did that now starmer would be balling his eyes out reeves could be metal mickey and kendell zelda with glasses the size of her whole face
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Well, Starmer and Co believe that the Labour Party are only for people who work, instead of for the working class as it used to be.
The disabled, the elderly of state pension age and even children are all thrown under the bus. 😮
Well we can continue to make life difficult for them by continuing our resistance to these sadistic cuts and then vote them out of office!!
It's no less than what they deserve if that's their attitude. 😡
I know that they are public sector pay rises in this case but I want to make the general point that every person in this country is as worthwhile as the next. ✊
No life is expendable because we are unable to work or too old or too young to work making greedy, exploitative big business and corporations who donate to political parties even richer.
NHS and education bosses have huge pay rises and there is plenty of expensive private sector interference too! 😡
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