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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,369 Championing

    I think there’s more truth on YouTube than in the msm . I wouldn’t be at all surprised by anything this lot do as they’re all so useless.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 436 Trailblazing

    I forgot to add Alan Milburn and Wes Streeting among the active Blairites that Keir Starmer has surrounded himself with.

    Wes Streeting worked for a year for the Labour Party-related organisation "Progress", which was a pressure group created to support Tony Blair's New Labour in 1996, and continued to promote the thinking of the Blairite-Brownite wing of Labour. 

    Alan Milburn is the one who recently said, "Getting millions of people who are economically inactive on medical grounds back into work would cut welfare costs. Economic growth won't materialise without getting these millions into work"!

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 436 Trailblazing
    edited May 22

    Truth is one thing. I wasn't not talking about truth, as saying the truth is no one's exclusive property. But when it comes to providing analysis and commentary on political issues, events, and policies, least biased professional political commentators are the ones to look for. I won't mention any of them, as I don't want to seem partisan.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,369 Championing

    After waiting 35 years for a cure for my ME I look forward to them finally doing what my specialist couldn’t. As for any savings they hope to make that will be swallowed by training new tribunal judges as about a million people go to tribunal over the 4 points rule .

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,369 Championing

    Have they come out against the cuts ? My brain fogs so bad I can’t remember 😂

  • johnnyy85
    johnnyy85 Online Community Member Posts: 135 Empowering

    Yes last night they said it will lead to serious mental health issues and suicides

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,219 Championing

    @Catherine21

    Catherine, more proof that the government doesn’t always get its way. Starmer was set to sign off the Chagos Islands deal today, until the High Court stepped in overnight, granting a Chagossian woman a temporary injunction and halting his plans. Now, he’ll have to actually consult on this properly.
    Hopefully, displaced Chagossians will finally have their rights considered. Once again, it’s clear this Labour government makes major decisions without truly consulting those most affected. Bet Starmer never saw that coming!

  • ashmere
    ashmere Online Community Member Posts: 30 Empowering

    From Benefits and Work site

    News

    Labour dominated Work and Pensions committee calls for Green Paper delay

     Published: 22 May 2025

    The influential, Labour dominated Commons Work and Pensions committee (WPC) has written to the government calling for it to delay any changes to personal independence payment (PIP) eligibility and universal credit (UC) rates.

    The WPC began an inquiry into the Pathways to Work Green Paper on 3 April, but has issued interim findings and recommendations because a Commons vote on some of the provisions is expected soon.

    The WPC warns the government in its letter that the proposed changes “might not incentivise work, as the Government hopes, but rather push people deeper into poverty, worsen health, especially in more deprived areas, and move people further from the labour market, as evidence suggests has happened in the past with similar reforms.” 

    In its letter, the committee asks the government to: “delay any changes to PIP eligibility or UC rates, extend and expand the current consultation, and work to co-produce measures with disabled people and their organisations, reflecting the Government’s commitment on ‘nothing about me, without me’.

    The letter goes on to recommend that the government:  “take a ‘precautionary principle’ approach and immediately undertake an independent, comprehensive analysis of the impact of the proposed cuts in UC health support on employment, poverty and health outcomes.”

    Finally, the committee urges the government to:  “delay its plans to amend the eligibility criteria for the daily living component of PIP and engage disabled people and their organisations in order to coproduce proposals for a new PIP, as part of the PIP review. Most importantly, we need to guarantee that those who need PIP will not lose out. At that point, it should publish and properly consult on its proposals more widely.”

    Liz Kendall has until Monday 2 June to respond to the letter.

    Chair of the committee, Debbie Abrahams, told ITV news that there was expert evidence that cutting benefits could increase the risk of suicides. 

    The WPC is made up of 11 MPs:  7 Labour, 2 Conservative, 2 LibDem.

    Moreover, as the Canary pointed out, four of the Labour MPs are members of the “Get Britain Working” group which actively supports benefit cuts.

    In theory, this is a committee whose loyalty the government should be able to count on.

    So, for it to express such strong concerns about the Green Paper will be a real blow for Labour, which is struggling to find anyone who is in favour of its proposals.

    You can download a copy of the letter, along with oral evidence transcripts and copies of written evidence here.

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/labour-dominated-work-and-pensions-committee-calls-for-green-paper-delay

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,185 Championing

    Yes I've seen that too what a man if him Jeremy Corbyn john mcdonnell some amazing female mps can't remember names quiet a few if they could all make a group oh Diane abbot she's really been amazing I'm going to email and thank her

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,185 Championing

    I've Got my logical brain on so many charties unions social scientist have written and highlighted all the flaws many letters and studys prove this will not work and lead to people suffering and unaliving themselves if this went to court tomorrow would win heads down also discrimination breaking equality act we actually have amazing support from real professionals kendell can act how she likes starmer will blame them for all this they definitely will end up the whipping boys literally when I stop panicking and see I'm like wow this has gone better than ever expected March 18th we had no hope then as weeks go on The monsters sorry ministers have been flooded with letters we have been emailing no stop we have made a massive roar and we will continue to do so ❤️ proud of us all thankgod for scope thankgod for this group …watch this space they like playing mind games well so do I and I always start with we have to power and that is our vote and I remind many mps that's the golden ticket you vote against these cuts and ofcourse your have many votes to save your seat deal or no deal they wanted change and so do we they actually brought us alive in a sick way alive to the fact no more of this it gave us or me my voice back from shaking in bed scared to open my eyes to emailing house of lords barristers baroness oh so many mps my daughter was like mum your get in trouble and this is where I thank scope because before I joined scope I would of had major rage and emailed when angry which is the worst thing to do so big thankyou again to this group and my own personal PAs sorry that's a long one hope makes sense

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,185 Championing

    Richard i applaud you what a guy we will always remember the light in the darkness with Corbyn mcdowell debbie Abrahams so many lovely ladies I need to get thier names who responded to emails saying they will do thier best to stop these cuts Guys we have been seen and heard this is so good if they ignore another thing they done to harm us will be taken to court ! He thought he was smart and just push it through with no challenge debbie Abrahams actually used the word suicide so how can they not listen I feel by labour doing this it's actually brought to light the horrific treatment we have been dealing with for years let's hope they do change the system for a more sympathetic people approach and for job centre staff especially job coaches I'm glad they chose to release the statement to ITV the day kendell did her cocco the clown act she must be spitting feathers with reeves watch this space

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,185 Championing

    But even with all that they can't keep ignoring reports from so many organisations there's been this debbie Abrahams report social scientist report many charities over 100 mps the push back has been hughe unions up in arms protesting om 7th of June and will keep on pushing them back imagine from 18th of March had people fighting whoever backs them needs to tell them to come up with some solution to appease the people and quick all that will happen is if they push this through will have all this evidence of letters from so many organisations saying halt and rethink a better statoury and definitely be ruled unlawful and to start again

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,185 Championing

    This is definitely more positive on the day kendell does her scene one round two act never seen so many expressions in one second hers mouth always gapping open like a fish coming up for air she will be spitting feathers being told to halt her plans after all that effort yesterday pls the mask keep slipping remember the howling where news reader turns into a werewolf that's how her face goes talking of disabled people her and reeves had noting to celebrate behind closed doors all the Labour mps despises them watch this space how they going to go against union protest 7th june I think yesterday was positive from Me sobbing to oh OK this is good debbie Abrahams responded to my email and said she would do everything I'm her power to stop this and she stuck to her words and made sure the news got to hear about this so it's not hidden behind walls

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,185 Championing

    We will never forget who stood beside us really makes me emotional

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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,185 Championing
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    I don't even know who been emailing or what thier name is just googled house of commons who shall I say anybody know

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,185 Championing

    And I'm sure used in court against them along with all letters from charities social science 100 mps the lot so even if they did press through would be definitely deemed unlawful

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,185 Championing
  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 2,127 Championing

    All of this is making me feel so ill.

    I have a flare up of my fibrimyalgia and chronic fatigue.

    I try to remain positive and hope for the best.

    I recently sent my reassessment form in.

    I will be nearly 63 when my current award expires and I am not able to do paid work and I will not engage with work coaches or even consider going to a job center.

    I guess I risk becoming homeless and destitute.

    Not exactly what I had in mind for my retirement years.

    This government are cruel beyond words!