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Jeremy is my mp . I will also email him again regarding this as I can’t help feeling we are being sacrificed now and MPs in our side blackmailed
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I said this from the beginning....they are giving back some of the wfa and will cut the 2 child benefit cap so they can get the welfare cuts through , it was so obvious from the very start .... The Tories will not go against these cuts either , the cuts will pass no doubt about it .... What we should be more hopeful about is if they make amendments to them , that is our real hope , but as for them not passing through parliament we have no chance
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Yes good idea, we all need to carry on emailing mp's each day, I know it's difficult and disheartening not getting replies, but they DO know from the extent and amount they receive our utter displeasure at these mind games. I think from my email I received from DPAC they are being cautious about revealing what their plans might be for a legal challenge to anything, including the most recent nonsense on WFA and 2 child benefit cap(all designed to wear us down).
Even with these consessions, mp's are still unhappy about these welfare cuts and the anger they are receiving via emails, and on the doorstep. These 'reforms' may well go through to the white paper, but I strongly beleive they will have to be watered down quite a bit to appease unhappy mp's. Also this way Starmer can save face and not have to do a full u-turn on his sacred welfare cuts, whilst at the same time say he was listening to our concerns. They don't call him Mr. Flip Flop for ne reason, although I could think of a few more choice words for him!!
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Kendall recently said she’s looking into changing the pip criteria/ assessments. I’m sure it was around the time of the WFA u turn. I said then and still think now perhaps she plans to water down the 4 point descriptor so it’s closer to a 2 point answer. That way it means it’s watered down but without a climb down. Either that or it could go the other way and they could make getting a 4 point descriptor harder by making the answer like an 8 point descriptor, though that would be risky with all the back lash they’re getting.
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He's a dictator and the current Labour is himself - akin to Louis XIV's famous "l'État, c'est moi = "I am the state/the state, it is me". He's using R. Reeves.
Why not, he could u-turn on the damn proposals. It all depends on the extent of rebellion of Labour MPs.
He's insecure and that's why he has kept u-turning on anything and everything since he got elected. For instance, initially, he said that they would raise the threshold for child benefit and was not willing to scrap it all together. But since yesterday he has been telling his cabinet ministers that he wants to scrap the two-child benefit cap and has asked the Treasury to identify ways to fund the plan, not only in an attempt to appease Labour MPs, but also because Nigel Farage has announced that he'll scrap it.
I'm sure if Nigel Farage says that he disagrees with the infamous proposals, Starmer would u-turn on them in no time.
Starmer doesn't believe anything other than for the sake of power. Neither does he stand for anything. He's an opportunist of the highest order.
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Do you reckon it will be a complete overhaul in questions ? To make the questions line up with LCRWA a bit more so people don’t miss out as much ?
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Hi Johnny ,
I don’t know I just think they can go either way if they change the criteria. They can make it harder so even less people get it or if they want to soften the blow without looking weak they could make the 4 point questions easier. All we can do is email them as much as possible. I just emailed starmer again and Farage. I’m just hoping the rebels continue to support us and pressure him to u turn 🙏🤞
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I think he may stab reeves in the back . He waited till she was out of the country to say he’s looking at the WFA. I just wrote to starmer again and reminded him he’ll be needing our votes next election and it’s not fair to u turn for the pensioners ( which I agree with) and the two child limit but leave us disabled people to be destitute. I also emailed Farage because as you say if Farage said tmrw he supported us Starmer would follow suit.
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Apologies if this has already been posted. This means Labour could go either way with the cuts.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/25/the-charts-that-show-just-how-worried-labour-should-be-about-the-polls
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I submitted my response to the consultation today, (around eight pages long). Mum and I spent a long time writing out our answers. I hope the DWP does read our responses.
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I hear the talk on here about wfa back down. But in my opinion he and reeves won't back down that much. I'm on the new pension, but the wife's on the old one and that's all we get, I think he'll refuse to give anyone on the new pension anything as he didn't say and neither did Brown that they'll pay it to everyone. But he'll give in enough so they both can steal some benefits and wfa. Maybe they need to look at their own claims for income and see how much they're stealing from the public purse.
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Is there something wrong with site, it seems to be posting twice sometimes?.
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Totally agree I bet it's a fair amount they get from the public purse + the big pay packet
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The site didn't register some edits to a post I made the other day, either, but maybe it's just because the thread is so long.
I agree with reversing the WFA cut (at least, if they can't ensure everyone who needs it gets it without everyone getting it, everyone should get it to ensure nobody misses out) and the 2 child benefit cap. But it makes me absolutely furious that they are only doing this now to try and stop people sticking up for us, in order to make disabled people suffer.
In the last two months, now my work position is permanent, I am now a tax payer. A disabled tax payer. And I would much rather my tax was going to support disabled people than going on Government expenses.What doesn't help is the long, drawn out, drama of it all. The I paper had a whole article about this and DID bother to insert that PIP is not to do with work, which is more than the government seem able to do. Not that I think that people on ESA/UC should be thrown to the wolves, I just feel like these are two SEPARATE issues which should be looked at individually.
Do things need changing in PIP? Yes, but not in the way the government think. More people being accurately awarded without needing appeal, better criteria which incorporate more range of disabilities/disability needs (ie, fatigue is not mentioned on current PIP, nor is executive function, nor is the ability to leave your house on any given day).
The PIP criteria discussion is mentioned in the green paper as something they intend to look at after the green paper proposals are passed. But I am a cynic. I would expect the changes to make getting 4 points harder, since they're fixed on saving money.
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I agree regarding pip criteria, I gave ME and fibromyalgia and there’s nothing in the questions regarding fatigue which is debilitating as there’s no treatment or tablet that gives you energy.
I think the pip criteria change could go either way , they’ll either make the 4 point questions easier so it’s not so brutal and us a partial u turn without actually be seen to be u turning or they’ll make the 4 point descriptors what are now the 8 points meaning hardly anyone will qualify. It’s hard to say which way it’ll go as it depends on what starmers thinking at the time . It wouldn’t look good to u turn for other groups and leave us to suffer though and I really hope labour MPs keep up the support for us and aren’t swayed by this attempt at what I think is bribery . We really need some good news as this is cruel what he’s doing.0 -
At one point I think they want to modify PIP descriptors for it to deal also with mental health issues, as the current descriptors in PIP privilege physical issues.
I also think that following what she said to Andrew Marr, below, they might want to make PIP harder for mental health issues and any other non physical issues.
Liz Kendall was asked by Andrew Marr on LBC "about those claiming PIP because they are suffering with mental health problems."
She said: “PIP was never set up to deal with these problems. PIP has always been a contribution towards the extra costs of living with a disability. Certainly, on mental health there is lots of really good evidence now that being in work is good for your mental health, for anxiety and depression but also for serious mental health conditions like psychosis and schizophrenia.
So, we’ve got to do more to get those who can work into work, but we’ve also got to make sure that the social security system is going to last for decades to come and that’s my real concern.”
No one is safe from the evil she has been brewing for us for ages.
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Labour’s benefits overhaul is the right strategy to fight off Reform UK in Red Wall seats, Liz Kendall has said.
In this picture, she really looks like a wicked witch!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/21/benefit-cuts-key-fighting-reform-liz-kendall/
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apparently the government are going to give us more time to prepare for homelessness and destitution according to The Times front page
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in what sense ?
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