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Yes I agree, they will all get their comeuppence eventually and be shown for the liars that they are, get the party poppers ready!!😂
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I never felt this bad under Tory’s and had they even suggested such a thing labour would have voted it down . It’s unbelievable that Labour are this evil. Their only chance is to clear out the front bench and start afresh . Get rid of starmer reeves Kendall at the very leadt
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Looks like I've missed alot today can't follow what's happening to many threads for me to understand ☹️
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That’s what I read on here , a post from The Times I think . It said they’ll give more time for people losing pip to claim other benefits or make other arrangements. Well I can’t think of any other benefits apart from uc basic . I will also say to them will I be committing an offence if sign as fit for work when I will be unable to engage
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That's great to hear Catherine. I hope that you will soon start feel a bit better. xx 😊 It's so hard isn't it but all we can do is keep going with our resistance.
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Love it! 😆 It suits Loathsome Liz 🤢 down to the ground. I've saved it to put it on a post for X.
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It will take time and a lot of determination from us but I'm sure that things will get quite a bit better.
I'll be ready with those party poppers with you, don't you worry!! 🎉🎊 And possibly a celebratory beverage or two! 🍻🥂 (medication allowing).
Thanks for cheering me up. 👌😊
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Yes, I too will post it on X , I'd post it on FB too but I'm no longer on it, hopefully it might even get back to her to show how much we love her (not).🤣
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They really are a bunch of morons, it's like we're being governed by reincarnations of Hitler, Starlin, & Mussolini, this government even makes them look like compassionate leaders, and that;s saying something (only speaking hypothetically of course, I don't condone any of their actions)!!
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You're right that under the Tories, it was never as bad as this. They didn't try to cut support from us at this scale though.
Labour would have objected to these cuts as well, as you've said. What wolves in sheep's clothing they ended up being! 🐺🐑
I couldn't imagine any party being this evil, including Labour. It's the sort of thing you used to see happening in poor, third world countries with a totalitarian regime not rich, first world countries like ours and a democracy.
It's been so hard to take in the fact that they are doing all this to us but I think now we have accepted the totally unacceptable really well and have channeled all the fear, anger and frustration into a powerful fighting force. ✊
It would really help if Starmer and Co could go as soon as possible but realistically, our allies and ourselves are going to have to fight on a lot longer for that to happen.
Even with them still there, the proposals can be postponed until we get a proper say and we have the OBR impact assessment considered before any decision is taken.
If the vote is for the cuts, there will be legal challenges that can be made, as they have ignored so many equality and human rights laws, we will have a really good case. 💪
When they do go, I would suggest that they take Morgan McSweeny with them and to ensure that nobody is ever allowed to listen to Tony Blair again in the future!! 😁
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You're not on, having a pop at teachers. Do you have any idea how complex a classroom becomes when children with SEN aren't properly placed by local authorities and end up in mainstream settings with cuts to teaching assistant numbers? The vast majority of teachers aren't "unsympathetic" they're massively overloaded trying to teach up to 30 kids with hugely differing abilities and difficulties all in one room. You cannot imagine it unless you see what it's like in hundreds of schools up and down the country these days and making generalisations about thousands of otherwise capable teachers is disgusting. They are set up to feel and it's successive governments and their austerity measures that have caused it. That's right, the very same governments that are threatening to slash your benefits. Think about that.
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Nice one, putting it on X too. I've taken a screenshot of my post, below.
I've put the tag leicesterliz on too with the hope that she might see it. Well you can only try! 😁
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Bare in mind LCW which is the basic rate of Universal Credit, they know full damn well that disabled people who can't work won't work so they'll push them onto LCW and bother them like once a month with this "duty to engage".
IF YOU CAN'T WORK, YOU CAN'T WORK. How many times do we have to say this?
All of this confusion, all the muddying the waters doesn't stop the fact that Labour intend to cut benefits and that Disabled people are treated like garbage in this country.
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That's great, thanks!! 😂 She'll probably just scowl at it then think up more evil plans for us, vindictive old boiler that she is.
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I know, non of it makes sense, it's just Liz's way of looking strong and powerful, when in fact she's weak and powerless and will be looking for a job soon. Iv'e heard she will soon be available for halloween parties (no witches costume needed), and stand in folks gardens scaring kids off, especially the sick & disabled ones apparently.
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Sadly, fighting is soul destroying. It comes with the package unfortunately. 📦🤦However this is so well worth fighting for and who can say what can be achieved. We can't know what that is unless we fight to make the opportunity for it to happen though! 😊
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The part about giving disabled people more time to look for other things to claim. There is nothing else. This is it. PIP is the gateway to other services like Motability and Carer's Allowance among other things. If you take PIP away, you take away potentially a person's Blue Badge as well. There is no point giving people TIME for something that doesn't exist.
TP exists between ESA and UC. There is nothing on the other side of PIP. If they stopped lying about PIP being connected to people in work, then their whole narrative falls down. Yet they keep lying, and nobody is fooled.As for using PIP to pay household bills etc. I don't see this as not being a disability aid. If your disability means you can't work full time, then it can supplement that income. Using PIP to help pay rent, council tax, other bills means a disabled person can be independent, as well as paying into the economy. That's sort of what it's for, surely?
Side-note, but I also find it disgusting that the govt used mental health and neurodivergence as triggers to persuade the public that PIP was bloated and being overclaimed. There were a flurry of overdiagnosis articles around the time the green paper was released, and that wasn't a coincidence. Now it's becoming clear that the real cost is broader across disabilities, suddenly people (not here, outside) care more.
The discrimination autistic people face just generally is already disgusting. I'm over people telling me I don't have support needs, I diagnosed myself on TikTok (I didn't, I was diagnosed 20 years ago), I need to use my PIP money to get clean then get a job (I don't even drink coffee, and I have a job and pay tax)…and various other things. It's already hard enough dealing with all the garbage coming from the states, and the antivaxxers, and the 'that's not a real disability because I can't see it' crowd.
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💯 correct . I said the same thing . What they mean is we will get TP as we do transferring from sea legacy to uc lcwra. You now get an extra esa payment so you now wait 3 weeks for uc instead of 5. But if we lose pip /lcwra they’ll give us a last payment while we wait for uc basic to start . But what happens legally if like me you physically can’t work and they say you have to sign a declaration that you’ll engage . Will we be committing an offence by signing then refusing to job search due to being unable to ?
As for what we spend pip on you’re right it should be for us to live a normal life as possible. Why should we go without just because we can’t work . Are we second class citizens who don’t deserve to use our money as we need to just because we are disabled?2
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