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That’s what I read on here , a post from The Times I think . It said they’ll give more time for people losing pip to claim other benefits or make other arrangements. Well I can’t think of any other benefits apart from uc basic . I will also say to them will I be committing an offence if sign as fit for work when I will be unable to engage

Love it! 😆 It suits Loathsome Liz 🤢 down to the ground. I've saved it to put it on a post for X.

Yes, I too will post it on X , I'd post it on FB too but I'm no longer on it, hopefully it might even get back to her to show how much we love her (not).🤣

You're not on, having a pop at teachers. Do you have any idea how complex a classroom becomes when children with SEN aren't properly placed by local authorities and end up in mainstream settings with cuts to teaching assistant numbers? The vast majority of teachers aren't "unsympathetic" they're massively overloaded trying to teach up to 30 kids with hugely differing abilities and difficulties all in one room. You cannot imagine it unless you see what it's like in hundreds of schools up and down the country these days and making generalisations about thousands of otherwise capable teachers is disgusting. They are set up to feel and it's successive governments and their austerity measures that have caused it. That's right, the very same governments that are threatening to slash your benefits. Think about that.

Bare in mind LCW which is the basic rate of Universal Credit, they know full damn well that disabled people who can't work won't work so they'll push them onto LCW and bother them like once a month with this "duty to engage".

IF YOU CAN'T WORK, YOU CAN'T WORK. How many times do we have to say this?

All of this confusion, all the muddying the waters doesn't stop the fact that Labour intend to cut benefits and that Disabled people are treated like garbage in this country.

Sadly, fighting is soul destroying. It comes with the package unfortunately. 📦🤦However this is so well worth fighting for and who can say what can be achieved. We can't know what that is unless we fight to make the opportunity for it to happen though! 😊

💯 correct . I said the same thing . What they mean is we will get TP as we do transferring from sea legacy to uc lcwra. You now get an extra esa payment so you now wait 3 weeks for uc instead of 5. But if we lose pip /lcwra they’ll give us a last payment while we wait for uc basic to start . But what happens legally if like me you physically can’t work and they say you have to sign a declaration that you’ll engage . Will we be committing an offence by signing then refusing to job search due to being unable to ?
As for what we spend pip on you’re right it should be for us to live a normal life as possible. Why should we go without just because we can’t work . Are we second class citizens who don’t deserve to use our money as we need to just because we are disabled?

From "The I":

Some rebels believe the strength of the opposition to the benefits cuts is making the prospect of a u-turn inevitable

Disabled people protest outside Downing Street against cuts to welfare benefits (Photo: Wiktor Szymanowicz/Future Publishing via Getty Images)

Richard Vaughan, Chloe Chaplain

26th May 2025 5:19 PM

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Ministers are at a standoff with Labour MPs over benefit reforms, with rebel ringleaders warning that tweaks to any welfare changes will not be enough to ward off a significant rebellion. 

Backbenchers are demanding major changes to the proposals first put forward by Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall in March under the welfare green paper, including a rethink on the eligibility of personal independent payments (PIP) and benefits paid to carers.

But The i Paper understands the Government is not close to offering concessions to see off a major rebellion, highlighting Kendall’s speech last week in which she again pressed the urgent need for reform on welfare. 

The refusal to give ground sets up the potential for a serious revolt when MPs will be expected to vote through changes to PIP next month. Some believe a u-turn of sorts is now inevitable.

Around 170 MPs are understood to be preparing to rebel by either voting against the Government on changes to the eligibility for PIP payments, or abstaining on the vote, serving up the prospect of a highly damaging defeat for Sir Keir Starmer.

The Prime Minister last week signalled that the Government will u-turn on its decision to stop winter fuel payments for all but the poorest pensioners, while there is an expectation that ministers could scrap or water down the two child benefit cap.

But Labour MPs are demanding Downing Street go further and row back on some of the more contentious changes to the welfare system.

A senior Labour rebel told The i Paper on Monday: “We have pushed for a change in how we do welfare reform across the piece. On PIP we have called for a restoration of the future jobs fund but for disabled people.”

The MP added that there would be a particular push to get changes to plans to limit the carers’ allowance. “People are very concerned [about the carers’ allowance].

“The big thing everyone is asking for at present is the impact assessments as we can’t do any of this blind.”

A Red Wall MP suggested a u-turn of sorts was inevitable from the Government, adding: “It feels to me like the government is going to have to react in some way to kind of mitigate the amount of rebels.”

But another rebel said tweaking the carers allowance or small change to policies would not be enough to win over MPs who are opposed to the changes.

“The Government’s welfare reforms face opposition not just because of individual changes, but down to the fact they’re targeting the most vulnerable,” the MP said. “Changing one or two won’t silence or change the minds of the 150 MPs that have voiced their opposition [in letters to the chief whip and PM].”

The comments were echoed by another backbencher, who said: “We are pushing back on carer’s allowance, but to safeguard this will not be enough.”

They added: “It would make sense for the government to do some more comprehensive work on disabled people’s support by the autumn and pause for now.”

While ministers have refused to back down, insiders said that engagement between the Government and rebels was ongoing and was more than just lipservice.

Despite this, another rebel, Peter Lamb the Labour MP for Crawley, went public with his opposition to the proposals and said he would be voting against the welfare reforms.

He told BBC Radio 4’s Westminster Hour he would be “voting against anything which is going to restrict access to PIP further than it’s currently restricted”.

Many Labour MPs across different wings of the party are “deeply uncomfortable” with what ministers are planning, he added.