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Sadly, fighting is soul destroying. It comes with the package unfortunately. 📦🤦However this is so well worth fighting for and who can say what can be achieved. We can't know what that is unless we fight to make the opportunity for it to happen though! 😊

💯 correct . I said the same thing . What they mean is we will get TP as we do transferring from sea legacy to uc lcwra. You now get an extra esa payment so you now wait 3 weeks for uc instead of 5. But if we lose pip /lcwra they’ll give us a last payment while we wait for uc basic to start . But what happens legally if like me you physically can’t work and they say you have to sign a declaration that you’ll engage . Will we be committing an offence by signing then refusing to job search due to being unable to ?
As for what we spend pip on you’re right it should be for us to live a normal life as possible. Why should we go without just because we can’t work . Are we second class citizens who don’t deserve to use our money as we need to just because we are disabled?

From "The I":

Some rebels believe the strength of the opposition to the benefits cuts is making the prospect of a u-turn inevitable

Disabled people protest outside Downing Street against cuts to welfare benefits (Photo: Wiktor Szymanowicz/Future Publishing via Getty Images)

Richard Vaughan, Chloe Chaplain

26th May 2025 5:19 PM

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Ministers are at a standoff with Labour MPs over benefit reforms, with rebel ringleaders warning that tweaks to any welfare changes will not be enough to ward off a significant rebellion. 

Backbenchers are demanding major changes to the proposals first put forward by Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall in March under the welfare green paper, including a rethink on the eligibility of personal independent payments (PIP) and benefits paid to carers.

But The i Paper understands the Government is not close to offering concessions to see off a major rebellion, highlighting Kendall’s speech last week in which she again pressed the urgent need for reform on welfare. 

The refusal to give ground sets up the potential for a serious revolt when MPs will be expected to vote through changes to PIP next month. Some believe a u-turn of sorts is now inevitable.

Around 170 MPs are understood to be preparing to rebel by either voting against the Government on changes to the eligibility for PIP payments, or abstaining on the vote, serving up the prospect of a highly damaging defeat for Sir Keir Starmer.

The Prime Minister last week signalled that the Government will u-turn on its decision to stop winter fuel payments for all but the poorest pensioners, while there is an expectation that ministers could scrap or water down the two child benefit cap.

But Labour MPs are demanding Downing Street go further and row back on some of the more contentious changes to the welfare system.

A senior Labour rebel told The i Paper on Monday: “We have pushed for a change in how we do welfare reform across the piece. On PIP we have called for a restoration of the future jobs fund but for disabled people.”

The MP added that there would be a particular push to get changes to plans to limit the carers’ allowance. “People are very concerned [about the carers’ allowance].

“The big thing everyone is asking for at present is the impact assessments as we can’t do any of this blind.”

A Red Wall MP suggested a u-turn of sorts was inevitable from the Government, adding: “It feels to me like the government is going to have to react in some way to kind of mitigate the amount of rebels.”

But another rebel said tweaking the carers allowance or small change to policies would not be enough to win over MPs who are opposed to the changes.

“The Government’s welfare reforms face opposition not just because of individual changes, but down to the fact they’re targeting the most vulnerable,” the MP said. “Changing one or two won’t silence or change the minds of the 150 MPs that have voiced their opposition [in letters to the chief whip and PM].”

The comments were echoed by another backbencher, who said: “We are pushing back on carer’s allowance, but to safeguard this will not be enough.”

They added: “It would make sense for the government to do some more comprehensive work on disabled people’s support by the autumn and pause for now.”

While ministers have refused to back down, insiders said that engagement between the Government and rebels was ongoing and was more than just lipservice.

Despite this, another rebel, Peter Lamb the Labour MP for Crawley, went public with his opposition to the proposals and said he would be voting against the welfare reforms.

He told BBC Radio 4’s Westminster Hour he would be “voting against anything which is going to restrict access to PIP further than it’s currently restricted”.

Many Labour MPs across different wings of the party are “deeply uncomfortable” with what ministers are planning, he added.

I’m so sorry you had to go through that Jul . The people that are supposed to protect unfortunately sometimes don’t yet are beyond reproach. There are some Drs , nurses , vets etc that don’t have empathy and it does make you wonder why they’re in that profession. I had a similar though not as bad situation as yours with my child’s teacher many years ago . Due to neurodivergence it was a good excuse for one teacher to leave my child’s shut in a side classroom by himself. Fortunately I was informed by a TA . And these things aren’t just because of over worked teachers . I heard recently of a support teacher with less than 6 pupils who left a child distressed and just said oh do what you want then. No one has the right to make you feel your bad experiences don’t count .

I didn’t know they were limiting carers or is that a result of the loss of pip ? I couldn’t read the article from I newspaper as link didn’t work but it sounds positive thank you 🙏

I think if they vote in our favour either way they vote if they vote against it’s more votes for us 👍 and if they vote for it Starmer will look more of a Tory and with diehard labour supporters that will not go down well when he need the Tory vote 👍

I think the hit to the economy alone will be catastrophic. Local shops etc . The cost of training and employing extra tribunal staff . The system was broken after pip but it will be nothing compared to this . Even MR will bring the dwp to a halt as they can’t cope now . Plus what happens legally when people like myself physically can’t work. I’ll be sanctioned constantly yet by law we are entitled to food and shelter

And guess who used that right to beat blairs government in court over benefits for asylum seekers? He won on the fact everyone has the right to food and shelter . Yet suddenly he doesn’t believe in benefits. One day maybe he’ll write his memoirs and tell us his real views.

There are unsympathetic people in all jobs jul we just don’t expect it in the caring professions . Look at the pip assessors , some are truly awful yet are nurses etc . Your post was in no way offensive so don’t blame yourself, you feelings are valid . Try and have a lovely sleep x