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I remember quite well that you said that you wanted to wait till the WCA is scrapped, about a month ago. At that time, I was thinking the same as you and a half of me has still that position, but my other half is thinking of claiming it as soon as possible, which means I've two different, sometimes opposing, impulses or feelings within myself.
I addition to the fact that many people both on this forum and B&W have advised me, with many thanks, to apply for it now and not wait till the WCA is scrapped, the following are my supporting points:
- The fact that they've said in the Green Paper that there will be a greater proportion of face-to-face assessments for PIP, UC and ESA. We all know that face-to-face assessments tend to be more stressful and the fail rate is much higher than phone assessments and paper assessments.
- If I get awarded PIP, say by the end of 2025, I would be spared from the proposed new 4pts based scoring system at least for the coming three years, as Stephen Timms said that PIP claimants were reassessed every three years.
- If these proposals come into force, God forbid, they might say, if you've failed either LCWRA or PIP, you're not entitled to claim the other one, as there would only be a single assessment for both. Who knows!
- Chances to score 4 pts are slim for most claimants. And preparing for such a 4 pts based system would be much more stressful.
- Imagine I'm reassessed for LCWRA (Health Element of UC) right after the WCA is scrapped and I fail and didn't claim PIP earlier, I would end up with £0 income and possibly homeless. But if I applied for PIP earlier, it would still be running at that time and I would've some money (PIP) coming in.
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You can always ask for a phone assessment as a reasonable adjustment if questioned @Passerby - & please do, as the success rate for these with PIP, as you've found, is currently higher than with a face to face, which Timms seems to want increase the number of - one wonders why? another reason to claim PIP now rather than later if these proposals go ahead.
A PIP award length is currently on average for 3 years. Timms seems to want more frequent assessments….
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Great to learn that it has gone well. Have a rest and enjoy your life.
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Unlike most of people, it's when I'm preparing myself to go to bed to sleep at night that I worry the most, as it's a struggle every night for me to fall asleep.
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I think Catherine knows it, as she's the one who has uploaded it on this forum on another thread.
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I'll. Thanks.
In addition, the DWP give undisclosed guidelines to PIP and WCA assessors, leading to a higher rate of failed claims. Whistleblowers and campaigners have also alleged that the DWP provide internal guidelines or instructions to assessors that are not publicly available. The DWP denied this, and this denial of undisclosed guidelines raises questions about the transparency and fairness of the assessment process.
I bet Liz Kendall has got an additional pack of such undisclosed guidelines in-store.0 -
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⬆️⬆️⬆️the majority of people can see it apart from Labour front benchers ⬆️⬆️⬆️
it's all about the money, not getting people back into work.
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Reeves said only 1.3 million pensioners will get the wfa and that means a lot will miss out again, because if you aren't getting pension credit because you're just over the limit (whatever that is), then we've dipped out again. A £1.5 billion was saved by not paying pensioners the wfa last year,a drop in the ocean to what they waste each year
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Yes I've been emailing sending articles of reports of people who unalived themselves because of DWP and articles of CAB pathway to poverty sending loads of mps and stated if they vote these in we will vote them out
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Personally I would apply before the form is changed either way if you do now or wait it's going to feel stressful I can imagine even more of a backlog and loads of people applying same time no assessments for lwcra will be triggered if you apply and 2026 is not long time it's just around the corner
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From someone taking a break from forum author unknown
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I don’t even think it’s about the money. I feel it’s sorely aimed at us . Not only are they throwing money around but whatever the save from us to apparently get the welfare bill down they’re promising it to other groups . I think they’d rather take that £5 billion in savings and burn it outside Downing Street imo
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I get what you're saying 🙂👍 although for people who are on lcwra or a mix of ESA / lcwra but don't claim pip , then the November 2026 date isn't really a deadline , the deadline for us is when the WCA is scrapped in 2028 / 2029 and the new pip criteria takes it over , plus as you rightly say there will be quite a back log I would imagine so you could be looking at a while even after the WCA is scrapped .... Let's remember that these haven't been voted in in there current form yet ....There's still something that is telling me that these reforms will be made to have amendments , I was sure the Tories would vote for these but apparently from what I've seen they may not ..... Fingers crossed 🤞 ☺️
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These benefits were going whichever government was in power. Most of what people are sharing and publishing on here are click bait. They're just not going to tell anyone what's going on until the day. So just sharing things like above is just bringing more worry to people.
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Does anyone know what happened in the meeting Liz Kendall had the other day with mp's behind closed doors? I can't find any news about it on;line, nothing on BBC or ITV, it's all being kept very quiet and out of the media. As far as I know there have been none of the usual leaks from mp's about what was said to Kendall and if the rebels are still going to vote against these 'reforms'
If anybody can find some info about this I'd be grateful and maybe put a link to the article(s) or news on here, thanks.
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I'm fully expecting them to review the whole of PIP criteria, they've as much as said so several times, including in the green paper. It just depends whether they intend to do so with a view to being more balanced across disabilities than currently, or whether it's designed to lock more people out.
The final consensus on all of this green paper drama may go some way towards influencing it.
I don't think that this is click bait, so much as showing that there is an undercurrent of support for disabled people that has not been there in the past.I still maintain, however, that the general person in the street, until disability affects them, really doesn't think or care much about it. If it's not affecting their taxes they're not too fussed, hence it's harder to motivate them to see the human cost of decisions being made right now. There will also be a fiscal one to them down the line, as there has been with every poor government savings decision for the last 15+ years - but people don't see this clearly until it comes down on their shoulders.
I am not sure whether even the light touch review that currently exists will remain as it is now, if they start changing criteria. It may be like migrating from DLA, when people's lifetime awards were torn up and they were forced to go through gruelling appeals just to establish what the government already knew.
I don't believe anyone is claiming benefits for very minor inconveniences. Anyone who has been through the benefit claim process knows that it's very hard to be awarded anything, even with reams of evidence. I'm sure there are people ASKING about it - but I doubt any of them are actually getting any joy from the system.
Unfortunately my dyscalculic brain can't absorb or make sense of any of the % being tossed about for how many claimants on this or that, and how much may or may not be impacted if they watered down the proposal as has been suggested. At this rate instead of making it more confusing to apply/qualify for PIP, they should just scrap the 4 point condition and admit they were wrong.3 -
Oh OK didn't know 2028 /2029 oh that is good yes they have to so many against it and loads of mps
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What they are doing to us is unforgivable unforgivable never will this ever be forgotten honestly whoever OKs the cuts we will vote out ! Nerves panic attacks the lot
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Hi Anaya ,
Regarding the review into assessment/ criteria I remember Kendall stating they were looking into it further sometime in the future. Then the rebellion started to take hold with more and more labour mps opposing the cuts . Then Kendall announced looking into the assessments/criteria were about to start. I said then it’s either to make the assessments harder and possibly making the 4 point descriptors nearer to the 8 point descriptors . Or they could make the 4 point descriptors closer to the 2 so it makes it easier and softens the process without it being another u turn . Just my opinion and I hope it’s to make things easier for us 🤞🙏
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