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You're right, but I read from some people thinking that they would only need one descriptor with 4pts and that's it.

If they remove mobility what descriptors fit conditions such as ME fibromyalgia long Covid etc where pain and fatigue are the main symptoms and are constant. There really needs to be descriptors for fatigue and pain specifically. It’s ok them saying work from home but you need energy to be able to do that . And it’s something that affects us all as being in pain makes you fatigued. Fatigue has no treatment and you can’t fight through it .

Oh god if only

Hi rach ,

No I meant if a person needed prompting to eat , would constant mean anything they ate needed to be prompted or would it count if they ate a biscuit etc without prompting occasionally. Same as the walking descriptior . Is it going to be a trick that it’s not having the condition constant but the symptom .

I also notice that it said a high score such as 8 in each descriptor which isn’t true so how correct is the inline search ?
I think the prompting to cook is for pip but to get severe you have to get at least one descriptor in the lcwra first plus is has to be constant, so I guess no good days . If I’m correct as it’s all so complicated and I think it’s supposed to be to confuse. Worrying thing is if voting MPs have the same info as us they’re voting on something without all the details

Caroline Nokes, who was among the 21 MPs, is still an MP and for the same constituency.

Guess what - it's the buffoon himself who's no longer an MP.

If they were genuinely wanting reform they should have done a proper consultation and impact assessment. Then put it all to a democratic vote. What they’re doing is waiting to see if this passes then move the goalposts. So you need a 4 point then the 4 point descriptors are actually the 8 point descriptors. Surely it’s illegal to even do that as MPs are voting on the 4 point rule only for the rule to be changed afterwards without a vote. If he did bring that in it would be the end of pip and lcwra completely as not many even get a 4 now. But I’ve said they’ll do this for ages now. As soon as she said they’re looking at the assessments .

They're evil as hell.

When the Conservative government proposed to replace some cash payments for Personal Independence Payment (PIP) with vouchers and other forms of support, they were at least acknowledging that people still needed some form of support. While this fake Labour is just saying, if you lose your PIP, go get a job, which sounds as if they were not acknowledging at all that PIP and/or LCWRA claimants had been sick or disabled!

Hi everyone - I know we're all here fighting not only for each other, but all disabled people. However, 'if' these proposed changes to benefits come to pass it reads like those who were found LCWRA pre-2026 will keep that award. In line with this, & with the same amount being payable is the 'severe conditions' element.

My understanding of that is that the 'actual' condition won't change or improve. So, @secretsquirrel1 I'd think possibly if someone has MS & had had periods of remission, then they 'may' not qualify. However with something like ME, then I don't think the bit that Disability Rights quoted is altogether correct, or has perhaps put the emphasis in the wrong place.

In the 'Explanatory Notes' about the UC & PIP Bill, where you can see the wording that Labour wishes to change in the Social Security Regulations, in Schedule 1 'Amendments to the UC Regulations 2013' the only mentions of 'constantly' are these:

''40A 2(b) at least one of the descriptors set out in Schedule 7 constantly applies to the claimant and will do so for the rest of the claimant’s life.

40A (4) A descriptor constantly applies to a claimant if that descriptor applies to the claimant at all times or, as the case may be, on all occasions on which the claimant undertakes or attempts to undertake the activity described by that [usually one LCWRA] descriptor.''

There's nothing to suggest to my mind that any 'symptoms' have to be constant. Everyone likely has symptoms that change from day to day; different levels of fatigue, pain etc. I know mine do, but nothing is going to change the fact that I have Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome anymore than it will change the fact you have ME.

To me it reads that the 'descriptor' itself has to be constant, or that it has to usually apply, & I'd think it therefore incredibly difficult for the DWP to 'argue' anything about symptoms changing from day to day (tho they're making it very difficult for those whose actual condition fluctuates to have this severe condition applied).

Please see: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/59-01/0267/240267.pdf

If you don’t get a 4 you’re not sick or disabled. And if these pass can they then change the actual descriptors ? I don’t know how they’re getting away with things that even IDS couldn’t. They’re not just evil they’re cunning with it