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I think like everything they’re doing nothing is clear . Let’s face it if the system was honest and reliable most of us would already be getting 4? Points and classed as lifelong severe . It’s the fact that so much of it is about luck of who the assessor is and even which legal advisors help us . I’ve had bad representation and I’m possibly up for review so soon because of this . Make the system fair and we would mostly get what we deserve without all these assessments. Of course that’s not what they want though .
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I was reacting to a post I didn't make it thankyou
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I was talking about your posts on it being put through as a money bill Catherine and the means testing of pip, it just scares people.
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It's ok yes yes I accept that thankyou
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They tend to do that,I had a gp letter asking for a home assessment for esa and they wouldn't accept it,luckily I was seeing g a counsellor at the time who did me one and they accepted that
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Catherine I’ve emailed Jeremy again and if I get any reply I’ll post it 🤞❤️
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It’s very unfair as once you get a diagnosis of ME you had GET( now debunked) CBT and pacing therapy. After that there is nothing. No cure or treatment so I wouldn’t still have a specialist almost 15 years later , you get discharged
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Good old Jeremy
A GROUP of Independent MPs, including former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, have tabled an amendment to effectively scrap the UK Government's "disgusting" welfare bill.
The Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill, which is due to be debated by MPs next month, would change the eligibility criteria for the Personal Independence Payment (PIP) disability benefit in a bid to save £5 billion a year by the end of the decade.
If passed, the changes would make it harder for people with disabilities to claim benefits, and the UK Government's own analysis has found that the cuts would push 250,000 people into poverty, including 50,000 children.
On Thursday, the Independent Alliance – which consists of Corbyn, Shockat Adam, Adnan Hussain, Ayoub Khan, and Iqbal Mohamed – tabled an amendment to decline a second reading of the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill, on the grounds that it "fails to provide a fair and compassionate approach to reforming disability benefits",
It adds that the bill “has not been designed to uphold the dignity, independence and security of people who rely on the welfare system.”
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Alongside the Independent Alliance, the amendment has also gained the support of Zarah Sultana MP, who was suspended from Keir Starmer’s party last July after voting to scrap the two-child benefit cap.
Commenting on the amendment, Corbyn said the UK Government's "attack on disabled people" is "disgusting and disgraceful".
He added: "MPs should think long and hard about the dreadful consequences these cuts will have.
“MPs must decide: did you become an MP so you could push thousands of disabled people into poverty?”
It comes amid reports that Labour MPs are set to be blacklisted for Government jobs if they fail to back the welfare cuts.
The National reported how rebels face the prospect of having the party whip suspended if they vote against the plans, while those considering abstaining have been warned they will not be considered for promotion.
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Beware deal was definitely labour, I remember getting a ketter inviting me to go and speak to the job centre, I rang up and found out it was infact voluntary !!
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That should read new deal,my phone changed it 😆
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I don't know and I'm someone who will lose pip cbesa and carers so a tripple whammy,I never expected this,how can they justify taking everything ,I could never claim uc,couldn't do the claimant commitment, I'm agoraphobic, for 30 years,13 rounds of cbt,I've been through mist antidepressants with no effect I'm on diazepam and it's pooped out,I cant get anywhere on my own and struggle massively accompanied, what am I going to do ?
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Unfortunately reform want to go further, question time on Thursday proved that,he said it when Fiona Bruce pushed him for their position on welfare, he said reform are for WORKING people not benefit claimants, like they don't realise most benefit claimants are working people,
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Make no mistake ... lives will be lost because of these barbaric cuts.
When the inevitable happens Kendall Starmer and Co need to held accountable for pressing ahead without a full risk assessment.
Blood on their hands !
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From "The I":
benefit changes.
The crackdown comes after more than 80 MPs wrote a letter to Labour’s chief whip last month, stating they were “prepared not to support” the legislation and calling for the plans to be modified.
Dozens of MPs have already publicly signalled they will not vote for the changes, with several gathering for a photo outside Parliament on Wednesday holding placards stating: “I’m voting no to disability cuts”.
The i Paper also reported last month that around five members of the Labour frontbench were thought to be on resignation watch over the plans.
The rebellion is focused on reforms first proposed by Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall in March under the Government’s welfare Green Paper.
The measures include tightening eligibility for PIP, halving incapacity benefit top-ups for new claimants, and removing universal credit health payments for people under 22.
Rebels have called for major changes to the legislation, including full impact assessments, a review of PIP eligibility criteria, and the restoration of targeted employment programmes for people with disabilities.
However, Downing Street has ruled out further concessions, stating that the reforms are necessary to make welfare sustainable. Announcing the bill in the Commons, Kendall insisted the package was “a route to compassion, opportunity and dignity”.
“Our social security system is at a crossroads. Unless we reform it, more people will be denied opportunities, and it may not be there for those who need it,” she said.
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Yes I had awful leg cramps.
My Doctor advised me to take over counter magnesium which has helped.
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I don't know how they would get round it, Iv'e said before about someone else finding an article on other sites, online media etc about this money bill. U.C and pip were never meant to be money bills but policy bills, so the government can't just decide they are now money bills just because they want them to be. I might be wrong, i'm no legal expert, but ever since I first heard about this weeks ago I can't find any solid evidence it can be done or that labour have said they are planning to do so (which they can't). I seem to post the same response to this every week and somebody else posts, well this is what I found online (not meaning yourself). If people want to worry themselves about it, fine, but again for clarification here is what I found, wether by google, Chatgpt, ringing Scope and CAB, who knows maybe they are all wrong and online media is correct as they are soooo reliable.
Were UC and PIP introduced via Money Bills?
No, Universal Credit (introduced by the Welfare Reform Act 2012) and PIP (also under the same Act) were not passed as Money Bills. They were part of wider welfare reform legislation, which included policy changes, eligibility rules, and conditionality frameworks — not just public spending or taxation. Therefore, they went through the full legislative process, including scrutiny and amendments in the House of Lords.
Can a new reform (e.g., 'Pathways to Work') be passed as a Money Bill?
Only if:
- The provisions are entirely about taxation or public expenditure, without policy elements.
- It does not change eligibility rules, sanctions, conditions, or rights of claimants (which would make it a policy bill).
If the reforms involve changing how benefits are awarded, adding new conditions, or changing entitlements (like mandatory engagement for LCWRA or PIP claimants), then it's likely a policy bill — not eligible to be treated as a Money Bill.
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I have just read that on Disability News Service Catherine.
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Hi am hanging in by a thread like most of us are but I am trying very hard to distract myself and not let this consume my mind.
I refuse to let that happen until we hear an official announcement about just exactly how this is going to affect us all and who they regard as having the most severe conditions to still qualify for disability benefits.
I hope you are reasonably okay but I realise that all of this is taking its toll on you.
Take care. X
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I just shows how desperste labour are and are panicking, good I'm glad they're bricking it. They can't have it both ways saying these cuts aren't about savining money or cuts, but to get people back into work, a money bill means it won't be about policy, which is what U.C and pip are!! So to make it a money bill they would be admitting these 'reforms' are about saving money and cutting benefits, which the green paper does not stipulate. I don't think for a minute the speaker would allow it, it also slaps democracy right in the face, mp's and lords would go mad, starmer would definately be finished, mp's would resign. It's never been done before in relation to welfare for that exact reason as it bypasses the right for mp's to challenge or discuss it further in parliament, hence it being undemocratic. In a way I hope labour do try this as it will definately be the end of labour and most certainly starmer.
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This is kier starmers corrupt labour would anything they do surprise you ? they wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they put it through as a money bill
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