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The speaker is in starmers pocket
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wasn’t there some funny business at one point regarding the speaker and Starmer ? Can’t remember what it is exactly now
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@johnnyy85 @secretsquirrel1 @Catherine21
If a bill is to be treated as a "money bill", it must be formally certified as such under the Parliament Act 1911, and that certification must be stated clearly and officially. The current evidence suggests that this is not the case.
I have checked the official House of Commons Order Paper and Notice Paper for 18 June and today, 19 June 2025, as well as the latest parliamentary records. There is no indication or note in any of these official documents stating that the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill (the benefit reforms) is to be treated as a money bill.
The Order Papers for those dates list the scheduled business and bills but do not include any formal or informal statement about money bill certification for this legislation.
As there is no evidence of such certification in any official documents I have reviewed, it would be helpful if John Pring could indicate the source of this claim.
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We’re just interested to know why Corbyn put at the top of his letter that it is expected to certified as a money bill
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Yes starmer made him do something for him that wasn’t the normal procedure forgot what it was
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This will be the same as this I reckon
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That’s it . He’s so corrupt
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MW I hope you’re right . If say it gets voted down can he then pass it as a money bill ? I suspect they want this through asap so autumn they can scrap the two child limit and think alls forgotten.
If it does go through as a money bill what does it mean for us ? What’s the difference voting wise ? 🙏🤞0 -
It literally says here it's not a money bill because it's not got far enough through the process. It's like schrodinger bill at the moment. People saying it definitely is are wrong.
I've also repeatedly read though the bill and impact assessment published alongside it and the most yhat says is primary legislation. Yes a money bill is a type of primary legislation but so are other bills
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It may not look good on the speaker to go along with starmer again as I’m sure I remember called for him to quit last time
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God my heart this is to much
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Because their very sneaky is there anyway they didnt have to announce it they would find loopholes in anything also concerning was labour mp didn't get her name she said Conservatives would help push through sorry I know no has the answer to if they will or not this is mental torture how do we break free from the pressure of it all
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Hi @dannistar, some people with learning disabilities may be affected by the proposed 4-point rule, but not everyone. It will depend on the severity of the individual's learning disability and how it affects them. Mencap have a page you might find useful:
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Thankyou x it's like want constant reassurance definitely on fight or flight mode I wish I could drag myself out of this it's all consuming only since October 2023 I discovered the wonderful world of politics and not one day have I had peace how do people deal with this once again thankyou for responding
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@Rosie_Scope it was mencap that I did the email to my local MP via, mencap sent the link to the place my son goes to most of the week to learn new life skills.
Thank you. I’m not sure how much more stress I can take.0 -
@Catherine21 @johnnyy85 @Catherine21
I'm not sure why Jeremy included that at the top of his letter or the context behind it. He would be the best person to explain.
As far as I can tell from official government sources, the bill has not been formally certified as a money bill. Based on everything I have seen today, it is still progressing through Parliament as standard primary legislation.
I would advise any members who come across any conflicting or unclear information about the bill, the most reliable way to confirm its status is by tracking its progress directly on the UK Parliament website. The bill is listed as Bill 267 for the 2024–25 session, entering that number will bring up all the relevant details. The Second Reading, which is the first major debate and vote on the bill, is scheduled for 1 July 2025.
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We all want reassurance Catherine, but stuff like that frightens people unnecessarily so maybe its best left to the experts and we should concentrate on facts alone.
You know what effect it's having on yourself, well you're passing that on to others at the same time, I know you don't mean to ever upset anyone but some panic very easily and we don't want people any more stressed right now.
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I think like everything they’re doing nothing is clear . Let’s face it if the system was honest and reliable most of us would already be getting 4? Points and classed as lifelong severe . It’s the fact that so much of it is about luck of who the assessor is and even which legal advisors help us . I’ve had bad representation and I’m possibly up for review so soon because of this . Make the system fair and we would mostly get what we deserve without all these assessments. Of course that’s not what they want though .
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I was reacting to a post I didn't make it thankyou
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I was talking about your posts on it being put through as a money bill Catherine and the means testing of pip, it just scares people.
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