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And he said he wanted to lead a government with transparency 😂 . Worst PM ever and they know it
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I read elsewhere that the rebels said let Starmer take away the whip and we’ll just start another party . I really think if he continues he could finish Labour off for good
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Personal Independence Payment (PIP) applicants with depression or anxiety are "instantly rejected" if they are classified as 'stable.' That's according to a former Department for Work and Pensions assessor, says a former DWP assessor.
Of course, the DWP denies this outright, as usual.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/dwp-instantly-rejects-pip-applicants-35418083
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What nobody is calling reeves out on is she's saying she's already spent 5 billion ???? Hasn't even gone to vote yet that's a disgusting excuse they certainly didn't expect all the backlash I believe they thought everyone would love this punish the scroungers they went to far literally including every debilitating illness no one was spared I feel a tide changing I think mps will not be told and bullied as much as we have had the rug pulled from us alot of them have too from The shinning photo taken when first won all smiles hope and even excitement that they could make a change to gaza to farmers to elderly to disabled to taxes everyone has woken up well slapped round the face labour made enemies the minute they opened thier mouths people had enough of be ruled by millionaires we will always be the loser so proud of people fighting back
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Anxiety and depression can be signs of other mental health problems people who can advocate fro themselves are lucky like myself I have no problem expressing myself had a friend god rest his soul he suffered so deeply he couldn't open up never seen doctor just self medicated so his medical history very spars I'm convinced he had bpd and definitely adhd with crushing depression anxiety alcohol was his medicine he passed away age 50 so so sad he was a kind soul only person he hurt was himself I tried to help as his partner did as well so alot of people go under the radar and suffer badly
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Lead cloak and dagger have to be a mind reader to make out what's coming next
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Labour’s cruel severe conditions criteria
Published: 22 June 2025
labour’s cruel “severe conditions criteria” (SCC) plan is not designed to protect seriously ill claimants as the government claims, it is intended to save money at their expense. Because tens of thousands of claimants too ill to ever work again will be forced to live for years on half the additional payment that current claimants receive.
The SCC are part of the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill and are intended to be a concession to Labour MPs concerned about the effect of the cuts on disabled claimants.
From April 2026, new claimants who meet the SCC will not have to face future reassessments for health element of universal credit, though they will still be reassessed for personal independence payment (PIP).
At the same time, Labour is almost halving the limited capability for work-related activity (LCWRA) element payable to new claimants, but claimants with LCWRA who also meet the SCC will get the full amount.
The SCC qualifying conditions
The current qualifying conditions for LCWRA require one of a number of descriptors to apply to the claimant “for the majority of the time”. For example:
- Cannot pick up and move a 0.5 litre carton full of liquid.
- Cannot press a button(such as a telephone keypad) with either hand or; cannot turn the pages of a book with either hand.
- Cannot cope with any change, due to cognitive impairment or mental disorder, to the extent that day-to-day life cannot be managed.
The severe conditions criteria require claimants to meet the same criteria “constantly”.
Constantly is defined in the Bill as “at all times” or “on all occasions on which the claimant undertakes or attempts to undertake the activity”.
However, many degenerative conditions such as Parkinson’s, multiple sclerosis and muscular dystrophy follow a slow path of decreasing ability, with periods of remission. So, most days you may be unable to turn the pages of a book, but you may have occasional good days when you can do so.
Or your manual dexterity may be better first thing in the morning but get rapidly worse as fatigue sets in.
At the moment, a claimant in these circumstances would get the full LCWRA amount, which from April 2026 will be £423.27 a month, because they meet the descriptor for the majority of the time.
However from April 2026, new LCWRA claimants in the same position will only get around half this amount, £217.26, because they do not meet the descriptor constantly.
But the same claimant will never improve, their condition will only get worse. So, if they are already unable to work because of a degenerative disease, they will never be able to work again in the future.
Under Labour’s new rules, however, they will have to exist on half the LCWRA element, possibly for years after there is no chance of their ever being able to work again, until they can show that they are constantly unable to carry out an activity, rather than just for the majority of the time.
So, far from guaranteeing that people who will never work again are supported, the SCC guarantees that they will live on a severely reduced income for years, until their degenerative disease enters its most debilitating stage.
For some conditions, including some severe mental illnesses, there may never be a time when the claimant is certain not to have periods of remission, so they may never get the full LCWRA award.
How long will protection last?
The SCC are claimed to protect claimants from ever being assessed again. But, as noted above, people who meet the SCC can still be reassessed for PIP.
From 2028, Labour are planning to abolish the work capability assessment (WCA) and make receipt of PIP daily living the gateway for the UC health element. But they have repeatedly failed to explain what will happen to someone who meets the SCC if they lose their PIP daily living award on review.
Will they still be able to claim UC health even though they no longer meet the basic qualifying conditions? If not, then the SCC guarantee may only last a few years, rather than a lifetime as Labour claims.
Peace of mind
In unveiling the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill, Liz Kendall claimed that it “represents a new social contract and marks the moment we take the road of compassion, opportunity and dignity. This will give people peace of mind, while also fixing our broken social security system so it supports those who can work to do so while protecting those who cannot. . .”
In reality, the Bill simply seeks every opportunity to take more money from disabled claimants, whilst telling them it really is in their own best interests.
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Hi chiarieds,
Belletango just posted this and it explains what the severe criteria means. They’re making a distinction between getting lcwra and getting the award under the new criteria which is the descriptor must be met constantly. As you say how can they show you fit the criteria constantly? I get leg pains every day , wake up with it ( fibromyalgia) and go to sleep with it . In between it fluctuates due to pain medication and if I’m able to go outside. If I do go out I won’t go out again for days or more due to worsening symptoms so how can that be proven by me ? I can’t see how anyone can fit this criteria as we can’t have the same level of symptoms 24/7 . Then of course there’s pain meds , does that mean you won’t fit the criteria? Reading it it seems to me that it will be more brutal than the current 10 Year light touch as this as Kendall says will be non negotiable so an assessor won’t be able to use their discretion and award it . I think they’ve put this out there to look good but actually they’ll just scrap the long awards while pretending they are replacing them with the severe category that no one can pass . I’ll post a couple of the screenshots that bellatango posted earlier. I hope I’m wrong on this .
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40 against is nowhere near enough I think it has to be near 200. Which isn't going to happen because the mps who plan to vote against it are bring threatened and bullied. 😓
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I hoe they don’t remove the mobility as although I have a lot of different symptoms and need to rest most of the time there’s no descriptor for pain or fatigue. So I couldn’t even work from home as I couldn’t concentrate anyway and I can’t sit in a chair for periods of time .
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I read somewhere we need between 83 and a 100 , I guess depending on how many from other parties vote against. Tory’s have said they’ll vote against as will independents apart from reform
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Me too. Mobility isn't just walking the length if double-decker buses. It's about getting around our homes safely despite extreme pain.
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And the fatigue . I have a feeling they’re scrapping the 10 year award and calling it severe criteria so they look good yet they’re making it almost impossible to get
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About the severe criteria linked to above from Benefits and Work, I see there's a person commenting who is thinking like myself; the LCWRA criteria needs to always be met + you have a NHS diagnosed disorder from which you're unlikely to improve (& that the wording in the legislature needs clarifying). The person commenting is called John.
I'm going to mention this use of the word 'constant' here when I email a response about the Govt's Green Paper (as I'm not going to answer the few things they are actually consulting about).
The Tories were considering removing the mobility part of LCWRA, but this isn't happening with these proposals by Labour.
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Hi ,
I commented to you earlier regarding this as we’d had this conversation a couple of days ago . IMO they want to scrap the 10!year awards that are at the discretion of the assessors and instead have the severe criteria that according to Kendall is non negotiable, to me meaning less assessor discretion and no appeal maybe . Now instead of passing the pip descriptors alone to get 10 year award , you need to first pass lcwra and have your descriptor for 50% of the time plus with the same descriptor you’ll need it constant ie100% of the time . So I can’t see how many people will qualify. What about painkillers? Will they make a difference ? And as you said before we can have symptoms that fluctuate throughout the day but how can we prove that and how can the prove we aren’t in pain 24/7 . What about fatigue, there’s no descriptor for that . At the end of the day we are human beings not robots, how can we feel the same 24/7 ?
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I think the emphasis on NHS diagnosis is very dangerous with respect to both LCWRA and any future changes to PIP.
A valid PIP claim never needed a diagnosis though obviously one has to present solid evidence. Some people never have a diagnosis because their conditions are very rare. Other wait many years for the same reason. (I saw multiple consultants before getting diagnosed at an NHS centre of excellence.) Others have private diagnoses. As long as a diagnosis is not from a local Witch Doctor it ought not to matter. The NHS only business is troubling.
ESA50/ UC50/ PIP1 forms all query our medications. What if GP-recommended supplements are paid for privately? Perhaps they won’t count any more.
Again, a claim form asks about our use of aids and appliances. The stress on the NHS hints that only aids proscribed by an NHS OT or physio might be taken into consideration as opposed to the many things claimants purchase for themselves out of PIP or other income.
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Depression is the most prevalent mental health disorder in the West, and researchers estimate that about 60% of people who lose their lives to suicide have had a mood disorder such as depression or bipolar disorder.
By the way, the assessor and the DWP are contradicting each other.
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I have hemiplegia a type of cerebral palsy since birth. I have spasticity in my muscles, especially my leg. I have foot drop, so have been given functional electronic simulation machine, AFO and shoe raise including custom made shoes. I also have a walking stick provided by physiotherapy. This means that my hip swing is off so I get significant discomfort. My arm and shoulder are constantly a dead weight, I have been told use my FES machine on my arm which doesn’t help. I wear a Lyra splint on my arm and hand to help but I still have a lot of daily living needs that the NHS don’t supply or provide. I remind them that PIP is supposed to cover the extra costs involved in because of my impairments - to but me on a level playing field.
As you can see I have a lot of input for my condition to help me walk and keep my balance.
However OTs have only supplied a toilet frame, bath lift, and step, a shower, handrails on both side of my stairs, grab rails around my home, perching stool and a kettle tipper (which I couldn’t use safely) they also provided me foam made into a chunky roll with a slot for me to put a knife, fork or spoon inside, but I didn’t have the dexterity in my hand to use the knife and fork together so my OT gave up and told me to get a knork. They don’t supply (nor do social services) the food prep station I need to hold bowls and things in place when using them in the kitchen, or a sandwich board, adapted knifes to cut with, adapted one handed ring pulls, tin opener (imported from the USA) and a jar opening station with a suction inside to keep jars still so I can open them without smashing them on the floor, or wearing the contents of the jar!
I do have ongoing 10 year award until June 2027 but i will write this in my next reassessment forms, and get a print out from the local social services website stating they don’t supply kitchen aids and get my hand specialist to write a covering letter to confirm this.Sorry for war & peace 😂
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"War and Peace"? I can no longer lift it.
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I never have been able to 😉😂
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