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To save his own job the prime Minister will not side with badenoch. I would like a detailed debate about the proposal that involves everyone. This is what is stressing me out it just feels so so rushed. Why?

Even though the Tories aren't in power anymore they're still managing to torture us again. :(

🤣 just about to say the same thing

I actually think Badenoch's statement is pretty much what you can expect from a Tory statement. It's a way to keep with the principles they apparently believe in (which is why I've kept saying that the Tories would not be a better option), but also giving them an out to vote against the bill if it suits them without losing their core support. If they now vote against the bill, Badenoch can say that it was because Starmer refused to meet their criteria and they are not for negotiation on these points. In short, it saves face.

It's a brutal statement because it puts Starmer in an impossible position. He already has this much rebellion with the cuts at the level they already are. If he were to curry Tory favour to pass this bill by committing to harsher cuts, it would be outright war and I think the Tories know it. It could 100% lead to a vote of no confidence, which is probably their real aim.

Until we know where we stand with the amendment/the bill, we don't know what will happen. There is undoubtedly going to be some kind of benefit reform, whether this bill or a revised one down the line. This vote is all about making it clear where the red lines are for those making the decisions.

The entire welfare issue has been rushed. Labour had the option to look past a first term and introduce sound, compassionate policies that would ensure better healthcare that might enable many to return to work. Money could have been saved by ensuring those who will never work are not reassessed. They could have considered taxing PIP. But no! Despite a huge majority they've tried to fight off Reform.

I cannot see Starmer agreeing to the Tory demands. They might as well form a coalition against Reform.

What's next?

The real Labour MPs need Tory votes to pass the ammendment to halt the Bill next Tuesday unless MPs are shattered by KS and KB flirting that even more support it. I doubt this will happen. So there'll be a vote at the end of the Second Reading. I think the Bill will pass to its next stage.

It's devastating. All in 24 hours.

Labour have responded to badenock

A Labour spokesperson said: "We're fixing the abysmal mess the Tories left behind, and MPs can either vote to keep a broken, failed welfare system that writes people off, or they can vote to start fixing it.

"Next week's Bill is a test for the Leader of the Opposition as to whether her party has learned anything at all by being roundly rejected by Britain"

how would labour voters react?it could cause labour voters to abandon the party in they're droves if he made a deal with theb tories as it would prove labour and tories are the same.