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Hi everyone - can I please say a few things. I hope you know I have everyone's best interests at heart, & now more than ever nothing should divide us.
About PIP assessors not having medical knowledge - well they're not Drs, but they're called Healthcare Professionals for a reason; most are nurses, with some physios & paramedics. As a physio much of my studies were at the same level as a medical student (apart from pathology), & we were perhaps fortunate in also having the same lectures on neuroanatomy & neurophysiology given by Drs as they did.
However, as I've said before on the forum, even if you had assessments done by Drs, then they can't possibly know everything. I know I've had the better of more than one consultant, but that's because I feel I know an awful lot about one tiny 'bit' of medical knowledge.
Even with the consultants you see, they may be at the top of their pinnacle in their specialised understanding, but may fail to see the significance if you have something else going on, which was why I used to wish I could get several consultants all talking to each other in the same room about our family's disorder! I'm sure many of you might have felt the same.
About assessors 'lying,' I have no wish to upset anyone, but this is not my personal experience, tho I could mutter about my PIP decision letter which kept repeating that I didn't see a 'physio specialist!' No, this is what I learnt from a Welfare Rights Officer (who helped thousands of people with benefit tribunals, as well as an awful lot of our members some time ago). He said that you can't say that an assessor has lied, because you have no way of proving their intent. Assessors listen to what you say, then they're there to give their opinion (as far as the PIP 'tick box exercise' will allow them to do). He knew, as do many of us, that assessor's get things wrong, but legally, we can't 'prove' they lie.
We have many members join the forum because they've had difficulty with PIP, UC & other benefits. Altho there's lots of info on the internet, it's knowing where to look in the first place. This is always something that I hope this forum can often do in trying to give clear guidance, with links whenever possible, to help members with their benefit queries in the best way possible. Like @michael57 - I hope I look at both sides of things too, & I don't think his view was negative.
Now @Merlin64 has just joined & has received a PIP form different to one they've received before. It may have been unfortunate to say that this was 'aimed at the most severely disabled,' but how were they supposed to know? I gave a link to the review form which just came out in Nov last year, tho I don't know if that's what they received as we've only had a few members mention they got one like this comparitively recently when reviewed. We however know that any proposed changes to PIP won't happen until 2026. They joined being concerned that they may lose their PIP, so thinking about that here's my last comment:
Most important in this forum is the support we offer one another. We're all a bit frazzled at the moment, but let's hold onto that support. 'United we stand….'
P.S. My son's Bedlington terrier thinks he's the best dog @Ranald - he's a true 'hang dawg' as he likes to lie on the sofa, or on me, with his head hanging down!
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Hi chiaried,
Regarding the pip assessors I can only give my personal opinion and my first assessor didn’t get it wrong she lied plain and simple. She was writing what was on my form and barely looked up to talk to me . Underneath everything I wrote in the form she wrote claimant says she can’t do x I say she can . Claimant says she’s in pain I say she isn’t . She ignored all my Drs letters apart from one where she even lied about what my specialist had written. My GP was so furious he wrote a letter counteracting everything she wrote. My last assessor ignored all my answers that would have given me a 4 instead steering me towards 2s . This is why we are scared because we know even if we should be awarded a 4 assessors don’t always give them . So I definitely can say my assessor lied . Last assessor was knowledgeable of ME and therefore knew its not curable yet awarded me 2 years . I’ll never trust them again especially now .
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Was waiting knew it was coming happens every time @michael57 starts a negative tone which quite often I've witnessed on here. I understand everyone has a opinion but his always seems not being in a friendly advice mode sometimes if a opinion is going to cause a reaction when the people on the forum are already highened with anxiety waiting for information and someone starts a conversation basically saying the people that is frauding the system you always hear them. What kind of statement is that to use? So will stick to my principles that michael57 was just trying to stir things up and absolutely no need for that. I've watched this pattern for him over weeks then someone writes in trying to depend him… there's no need to defend him he just needs to stop trying to wind people up because the end of the day we are all going through the same thing .
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No, PIP (Personal Independence Payment) assessors are not all medically qualified doctors. They are, however, registered health professionals with specific training in disability assessment. This typically includes nurses, physiotherapists, occupational therapists, and paramedics. While they are not required to have specialist knowledge of every medical condition, they are trained in disability medicine and have a broad understanding of healthcare principles. .…if they have a understanding why do many feel the need to lie where's their understanding in that to the person they are assessing should be a medical professional with knowledge in the condition.
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It seems all of the MP's from over here are for once singing from the same hymn sheet. They've all signed the reasoned amendment. Wonders will never cease to amaze me. I think Sammy Wilson would explode if you called him Irish.😂
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While the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) and assessment providers like Capita and Atos maintain that their assessors are not dishonest, there have been widespread allegations and evidence suggesting otherwise, according to Disability News Service. These allegations include claims that assessors have written dishonest and misleading reports, leading to incorrect PIP eligibility and award levels. Some reports indicate that assessors have faced pressure to meet targets, potentially contributing to the issue. In other words they lied 👍
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And I'm entitled to mine also
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I did put a n in front for northern 🤷
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Interesting
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I know buddy I took it as one
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This morning news…
- Downing Street has confirmed it is in talks with Labour MPs about possible changes to the government's welfare policies
- No 10 says they "want" to hold a vote on Tuesday, as currently planned, and admits getting the policy right is "not easy"
- It's a notable softening of tone, our political correspondent Henry Zeffman says
- More than 120 Labour backbenchers have signed an amendment calling for the proposals to be scrapped, making an embarrassing defeat for the government possible
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From "The New Statesman" of yesterday:
https://archive.ph/8sdKz
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Morning lincsgranny
My first assessor was so bad the dwp wrote they wanted my next assessor to record the assessment. 30 minutes before the assessment was to take place over the phone the centre called and said the assessor wasn’t equipped to record and blamed the dwp as according to them it’s the dwp who make the appointments. So even the phone staff lie . As I’ve said on here before and some didn’t agree , I know of someone medically trained who went to the training to become an assessor. They were so disgusted by the methods they were taught to down grade awards they didn’t even start the job . I believe this to be true .
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SSo Thier sidelining us catching Stephen timms talking today and certain articles let's talk lwcra oh yes I urge people to watch his interview and the right to engage with work oh yes try and job don't work out come back and I don't think it's compulsory we have another major fight so if battle with pip watered down let's turn to uc lwcra anyway looks for yourselves because this is the next step
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No way wow
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No way wow
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Thats made mos more angry he just dismisses everything
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Thats made mos more angry he just dismisses everything
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