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That's exactly what I think - PIP and WCA should be separate as they're now.
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If you want to read a paywalled article, which requires payment, typically through a subscription or one-time purchase, to access its full content, you can use this link to read such articles. Copy the URL of the article you want to read and paste it in the bar of the link where it says, "Enter article URL", and click the search button and voila!
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I've just used it to read the article of the Torygraph.
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Right so I've only just got up to speed on what's happened recently .... I've seen that these concessions will only affect new claimants ..…but here's a question , if I'm on cbesa and lcwra but NO PIP , what happens when they scrap the WCA and the many people in my position have to take the pip test to carry on getting the lcwra element ( will be called the new health element by then ) .....
Will we be looked at as new claimants for pip because we are not in receipt of it ?
Or will our existing status of having ESA , lcwra or both mean that we will be assessed under the existing pip descriptors ?
See this is what's worrying ! It's such a massive issue and has had absolutely no coverage whatsoever , I hope they make this clear
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Beth Rigby - Sky News - Posted on her X page 12.39am.
NEW: Welfare concessions. Liz Kendall sets out compromise to MPs in letter just published1/ All of those currently receiving PIP will stay within the current system. Nee eligibility requirements will be implemented from Nov 2026 for new claims only.2/All existing recipients of the UC health element – and any new claimant meeting the severe conditions criteria – have their incomes fully protected in real terms.3/ Ministerial review of the PIP assessment. Review a coproduction with disabled people, the organisations that represent them, and MPs so their views and voices are heard
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Beth Rigby, Sky News X page recently.
Dame Meg Hillier, one of leaders of rebellion, calls the concessions “a positive outcome” and she thinks this a “good and workable compromise” that means govt and MPs can work together & move forward. Now to see what others think…
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Dame Meg Hillier's full response to Liz Kendall's letter. Make of it what you will.
Dame Meg Hiller, the lead Labour MP rebel, said: "This is a positive outcome that has seen the Government listen and engage with the concerns of Labour MPs and their constituents. "It’s encouraging that we have reached what I believe is a workable compromise that will protect disabled people and support people back into work while ensuring the welfare system can be meaningfully reformed.
"This means that disabled people currently in receipt of PIP and the health element of Universal Credit will continue to receive the same level of support."That future changes to disability support will be co-produced with disabled people, building on the work of Minister Stephen Timms MP to create a system that involves disabled people in decisions about their lives. "And that employment support will be brought forward and substantially improved so that people who want to work are not trapped in the benefit system.
"This is a good and workable compromise and shows that the Labour Government has listened and that working together with Labour MPs can move forward to support vulnerable disabled people, reform the welfare system in a just and inclusive way and contribute towards the economic growth and prosperity this country so desperately needs."
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News..Multiple sources tell the BBC existing claimants of the Personal Independence Payment (Pip) will continue to receive what they currently get, as will recipients of the health element of Universal Credit.
Instead, planned cuts will only hit future claimants.
So a question for you lovely people. I get pip and lcwra . If the above happens. If I lose pip aftee a appeal would that affect my lcwra . Am I right in thinking I would get lcwra til 2029 before it's done with for good.
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This is nothing but lip service!
It doesn't say which eligibility criteria the current claimants on LCWRA will be assessed on. It only mentions that their incomes would be protected.
I can't see why claimants on LCWRA have to be assessed with PIP assessment, which is not designed to assess people with mental health conditions. Liz Kendall herself said, and I quote, "PIP was never set up to deal with people with mental health problems".
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No, you're not right to think that you would be getting LCWRA till 2029, as no one has said this. You could easily lose it at your next reassessment. You should better worry more about losing your LCWRA than your PIP, as LCWRA assessed with PIP assessment is a lottery.
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I'll be surprised with what is being proposed tonight even gets through. The bill needs to be stopped dead in it's tracks. I wonder how many rebel MP's will be won over by this?
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What is the benefit for the existing claimants on PIP to remain on the current eligibility criteria, as they're going to modify the descriptors to make it harder. This is no different from the 4pts system. The only difference is that it won't called 4pts scoring system.
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These concessions are sounding quite worthless in the long run for existing claimants anyway but I imagine too many rebels will accept this as a win, when it is anything but.
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existing claimants on pip will not be effected/protected from nov 26 after the new rules kick in …..
i can just see it now …. the next step will be to rebrand/rename pip, then sorry existing claimants are NO longer protected !
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So basically these poxy concessions mean absolutely nothing to people in my position !! 😩 .....
CBESA + LCWRA .... BUT NO PIP
THIS MEANS THAT WHEN THE WCA GETS SCRAPPED WE WILL NEED TO TAKE THE NEW PIP 4 POINT CRITERIA AS WE WILL TECHNICALLY BE NEW CLAIMENTS
ITS ABSOLUTELY CRIMINAL THAT PIP HAS GOT SO MUCH ATTENTION AND THIS HAS GOT HARDLY ANY
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No I think you automatically qualify for uc health element, but I could be wrong?
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The possibility of scrapping the WCA is currently being consulted with the public. Deadline of the consultation is the 30th June. Then a white paper. Etc
So it’s not a done deal, far from it.
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Hopefully they will understand the position like myself are in and do the same for existing claimants
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Just email mps!!!! What are they playing at our lives I'm emailing mine now !!!
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I agree she won't she wrote all nice back to me then on tv saying go harder they all have thier roles her amd reform go hard on us so starmer seems safe bet he can carry on with his plans to ruin the country
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What does that diagram mean
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